Realms Beyond Dungeons

[Mardoc]

Tether's going to count as part of harness/saddle.

Looks like you guys are coming down on the side of escorting a Scout - I'll work on that quest with highest priority, then. Should be able to get the next post ready tonight or tomorrow, assuming you have actually concluded in character by then. Still need you guys to settle Damara vs Vaasa, and someone needs to take charge as spokesman to inform Marcus of your decision.

(btw, once I'm done with the grappling hook, how easy/hard will it be to retrieve the grappling hook, and, quite possibly climb back down? Will it be possible to just climb down on the rope, and then somehow, I dunno ... tug at it a certain way that it might shake loose? Would possibly require several full round actions or longer. DM ruling here?)

Nearly impossible, unless you set it up beforehand to be loose, in which case there's a chance it comes loose while you're climbing down and you fall. Can't have it both ways - either it's secure, or it's not. It takes magic to have it both ways - you already found that item.

50 gp, 1 lb. However, for climbing you have a climbing kit which is 70 gp, 5 lbs. So that's why it overlaps. I guess that means I can't have a masterwork rope for 50 extra gold pieces ... instead I need this kit?

Thinking about getting 50 ft of rope + grappling hook, and possibly a Climber's Kit (or making the rope/hook a masterwork tool).

Can I just make the rope/hook a masterwork tool and avoid getting a Climber's Kit?

Climbing kit is more like shoe spikes, pitons, gloves, etc, than it is grappling hook. Treat them as totally separate things.

Yes, you can buy a masterwork grappling hook for 150 gp more, to give you a +1 on your ranged attack to place it.

[BRickAstley]

I asked Marcus a question in the game thread as well Mardoc, in case you didn't catch that.

[Tasunke]

So Mardoc ... all Grappling hooks are permanently fixed into the rock once they are used?

I ask this because the Portable bridge comes with 8 pitons ... and I was assuming that it could be disassembled and used again. I also assumed that you could re-use those same 8 pitons. Are we saying all pitons and grappling hooks are single use?

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Survival DC Task
10 Get along in the wild. Move up to half your overland speed while hunting and foraging (no food or water supplies needed). You can provide food and water for one other person for every 2 points by which your check result exceeds 10.

I might use this occasionally to try and save the party on rations ^_^

[Mardoc]

So Mardoc ... all Grappling hooks are permanently fixed into the rock once they are used?

No, no, you can get them free from the top. Just have to be able to grab the hook itself, rather than trying with the rope attached to them.

[spellman]

Are we saying all pitons and grappling hooks are single use?

Unless you have a reasonable way to remove them, yeah. Using a grappling hook to get up a cliff, then pulling the hook off at the top is legal.

[Tasunke]

Unless you have a reasonable way to remove them, yeah. Using a grappling hook to get up a cliff, then pulling the hook off at the top is legal.

Awesome ^_^

Yea ... basically, I might be willing to remove the grappling hook from the top and climb down the old fashioned way if I have to (after combat is over)

Or alternatively, if I'm using it to climb a series of ledges.

[Mardoc]

Pitons are single use, though. You might be able to remove them from a bridge to free the bridge, but you'd ruin the piton in the process.

In Real Life, unless a piton is specifically designed to be removable, it's part of the rock after insertion.

Not sure grappling hooks would be that much use on cliffs - they're more designed for walls, aren't they?

[BRickAstley]

So, since we have a decently large party of 5 spread out among many timezones, I was thinking that it might be good to define some sort of agreed upon system for group decisions? Currently I would think the default is a unanimous decision, but if people were fine with it, agreeing that a simple majority of 4 of the 7 could make a decision for the party in game would help expedite matters; even 5 out of 7 would help speed things along if we wanted extra buffer room to get people's voices into the mix.

[spellman]

I'm assuming there rocks or trees some other things the hook can catch on top of the cliff. I.e. something to hook onto. Otherwise, yeah, not too helpful =p

[Tasunke]

So, since we have a decently large party of 5 spread out among many timezones, I was thinking that it might be good to define some sort of agreed upon system for group decisions? Currently I would think the default is a unanimous decision, but if people were fine with it, agreeing that a simple majority of 4 of the 7 could make a decision for the party in game would help expedite matters; even 5 out of 7 would help speed things along if we wanted extra buffer room to get people's voices into the mix.

I agree, for most decisions a quorum of 4 should be sufficient. Unless, of course, that particular decision specifically involves one of the absent parties in some intimate way (such as, the selling (or eating) of a horse ).

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Pitons are single use, though. You might be able to remove them from a bridge to free the bridge, but you'd ruin the piton in the process.

In Real Life, unless a piton is specifically designed to be removable, it's part of the rock after insertion.

Not sure grappling hooks would be that much use on cliffs - they're more designed for walls, aren't they?

I'm assuming there rocks or trees some other things the hook can catch on top of the cliff. I.e. something to hook onto. Otherwise, yeah, not too helpful =p

I see .... So, correct me if I'm wrong, but the most accurate use for pitons are for securing lines of rope so that others may climb up it ... Therefore, I suppose, in most situations, for my own personal climbing, a climbing kit is all I would really need. Other than that, ropes and such would be most useful for helping others get to where I am at.

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OFFICIAL REQUEST OF THE ORC BROTHERS

pitons, grappling arrows, and possibly (silk) rope. If we are ever in a situation where we need everyone to get to a ledge only I (or a handful of us) can get to, pitons will allow me to anchor the rope so that others may pass.

Also, grappling arrows are possibly even more effective than grappling hooks (except they have no hope of being re-used, a lot like pitons in that respect, I think).

Therefore, extra pitons of any amount would be useful to the party (I think). And a few extra grappling arrows probably wouldn't hurt. Just in case you had some spare coin. Basically we might end up burning through pitons like oil ... (just maybe, but still possible at least), so it could prove useful.

-----> Now, with all this being said, this is probably fairly low priority, but since we are in mountainous terrain, ya never know ^_^

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Does the party think it'd be worth it for me to buy the Portable Bridge? Who would be willing to carry it? (Ichabod? Brick? Commadore?)