WW21 - The Professor Is Dead [game thread]

[Gazglum]

What weird non vote by the way?
(Also if I survive today I'll redo the 10 posts thing, its just a little hard with defending)

I meant not voting for Zak when it would put him ahead of you in the count, even though you presumably want to live.

[novice]

Kind of agree with Q in that Zak has a slight "look at me I'm scumhunting" vibe, actually.

Unofficial tally with 2.5 hours remaining

zakalwe (4) - Gazglum, Lewwyn, Ryan, Q
Q (3) - novice, Serdoa, zakalwe
Gazglum (1) - Mattimeo
Serdoa (1) - Jkaen

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo though, if you are town please talk more than you are. It makes it really hard for the rest of us otherwise, we almost have to lynch you if won't get involved, but we can't afford mislynches. I know it's hard to do too much logic stuff on Day 1, but we need a bit of discussion to help us get a bead on your innocence (or guilt!) in days to come.

Actually surprised no-one's jumped on me for only having one post in the last 45 hours. Makes me think both (two being basically perfect for nine) wolves are perfectly content with the current leading candidates...


zakalwe -

I don't have much to add, really. Jkaen is being kind of scummy but maybe also a bit too sloppy to be scum.

Ryan could also be scum. I haven't seen any indications to the contrary.

I'm happy to see the Q lynch through in the absence of better leads. I have some thoughts about who to look to next, depending on his alignment, so I'd like to see it.

People have responded to the points raised here, but no-one's jumped on it as being "here are a couple of people I'm not voting for, they could easily be either, I'm going to stick where I am 'cause nothing better has come up"? I'm pretty sure I've seen almost exactly this post get people ripped to shreds in every game I've played here - why's it getting past this time?
Maybe it contributed to people voting zak, without being mentioned as such? Given that he's the main candidate now, pushed up past Qgqqqqq...

Qgqqqqq -
What even is the case? Slight awkwardness in initial post, with the explanation not being deemed sufficient? And then, the whole "this would totally be distancing, were I a wolf. But, uh, I'm not, honest, so it's not actually"?
Seems rather typical for Qgqqqqq, honestly.

On the other hand, not sure I like Lewwyn's attempt to reinforce the zak - q split (at the time, the only people with more than one vote against them) rather than raising anyone else to the table.

[Mattimeo]

further on Qgqqqqq:

Please don't try to refute/ignore this while I'm alive - its pretty obvious that I'm gonna die, so come back once I'm dead and consider it then (this applies to all my posts know - I know its easy to dismiss something from someone who seems like evil, so id rather you waited till later).

This, at 3-3, with you not currently on your direct opponent? That's rather fatalistic even for you...

[Serdoa]

Zak - ignoring everything else - as Ryan mentioned earlier, I have a much larger chance of flipping town then scum.

Why? I mean apart from the obvious that EVERYONE has a higher chance to flip town then scum. What else makes you more likely town?

I mean sure, you've got a lead your excited about, but it feels really scummy that your going around generating (what will be clearly when I flip town) noise.

So you believe that he is excited about his lead but at the same time call it scummy that he follows it. Makes no sense Q.

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I really don't have to say much at this point, apart from that lynching zak, who is the only one to actually contribute anything meaningful D1, is just bad play. Honestly, zak is spot on that Lewwyn is waffling on Q. Lewwyn states that Q is suspicious in his first post on the matter and that Q's explanation (playing too terrible to be scum) is actually showing that he is not playing terrible -> might very well be scum. Yet he still kept his vote on Jkaen. And what was the initial reason to vote for Jkaen?

"Jkaen's one post so far is a vote for novice based on Novice character claim through a new avatar. Jkaen why is that suspicious?"

Lewwyn never reacted to the answer Jkaen gave, but when he stated that Q is suspicious, he didn't move his vote. Why? I mean clearly if you feel that Q is suspicious he is a better target for your vote than Jkaen, looking at your reasoning for the vote on him. And in his last post he waffled again if he should vote Q or zak. And voted finally zak, again stating that Q is scummy while zak is not APART from his "attack" on Lewwyn.

You did package it up nicely and all Lewwyn, but in the end you simply voted for zak without having any reason besides him pointing out that you refrain from voting for Q while trying to appear suspicious of him. And that IS scummy, zak is absolutely right in attacking you for it.

I'll keep my vote on Q, simply because I don't want to lose zak as I doubt heavily that he is a wolf. But quite honestly, I will definitely help a Lewwyn-lynch along, as I've seen nothing to make me in the slighest believe that he plays for the village.

[Lewwyn]

zakalwe -

I don't have much to add, really. Jkaen is being kind of scummy but maybe also a bit too sloppy to be scum.

Ryan could also be scum. I haven't seen any indications to the contrary.

I'm happy to see the Q lynch through in the absence of better leads. I have some thoughts about who to look to next, depending on his alignment, so I'd like to see it.

People have responded to the points raised here, but no-one's jumped on it as being "here are a couple of people I'm not voting for, they could easily be either, I'm going to stick where I am 'cause nothing better has come up"? I'm pretty sure I've seen almost exactly this post get people ripped to shreds in every game I've played here - why's it getting past this time?
Maybe it contributed to people voting zak, without being mentioned as such? Given that he's the main candidate now, pushed up past Qgqqqqq...

Read better Mattimeo. Gazglum attacked this post and then voted Zak. Then Zak attacked me and I then voted Zak. I didn't mention this post at the time, but yes it contributed to my vote on him.

[zakalwe]

don't like zaks suggestion that if q is scum then probably no other scum voting. I find it quite possible that (for example) scum zak placed a throw away vote on q early which gained more traction than he expected. infact all the q votes were made sufficiently early to allow votes to migrate away

Agree with this.

How can you agree with this? Which part of it do you agree with? I'm trying to wrap my head around it, and it just makes no sense to agree with any of that if you're town. The only scenario that I can see in which me saying "none of the Q voters are his scumbuddy" is suspicious is if I'm scum and you are too.

Also, your last will basically just says that everybody is suspicious. Not all that helpful.

[Lewwyn]

I really don't have to say much at this point, apart from that lynching zak, who is the only one to actually contribute anything meaningful D1, is just bad play. Honestly, zak is spot on that Lewwyn is waffling on Q. Lewwyn states that Q is suspicious in his first post on the matter and that Q's explanation (playing too terrible to be scum) is actually showing that he is not playing terrible -> might very well be scum. Yet he still kept his vote on Jkaen. And what was the initial reason to vote for Jkaen?

"Jkaen's one post so far is a vote for novice based on Novice character claim through a new avatar. Jkaen why is that suspicious?"

Lewwyn never reacted to the answer Jkaen gave, but when he stated that Q is suspicious, he didn't move his vote. Why? I mean clearly if you feel that Q is suspicious he is a better target for your vote than Jkaen, looking at your reasoning for the vote on him. And in his last post he waffled again if he should vote Q or zak. And voted finally zak, again stating that Q is scummy while zak is not APART from his "attack" on Lewwyn.

You did package it up nicely and all Lewwyn, but in the end you simply voted for zak without having any reason besides him pointing out that you refrain from voting for Q while trying to appear suspicious of him. And that IS scummy, zak is absolutely right in attacking you for it.

I'll keep my vote on Q, simply because I don't want to lose zak as I doubt heavily that he is a wolf. But quite honestly, I will definitely help a Lewwyn-lynch along, as I've seen nothing to make me in the slighest believe that he plays for the village.

Jesus what is this catch 22 bullshit? After Q's pretty suspicious "I'm not scum cuz I'm playing terrible bit" I had pretty much decided that Q would be among my last choices for the day. I DID NOT want a landslide vote on Qg that would create no information for the village so I was looking around at different people, ie: Jkaen.

Then Zak attacked me with a pretty scummy attack in my opinion. I decided that I'd vote for him then. Why not? I was going to be online all day and could actually react! SO I voted for Zak with an eye on Qg.

Now I'm being attacked by Mattimeo for saying I'm splitting the vote. Reinforcing it Zak and Qg as the top two candidates. I was actually trying not to do that by not voting for Qg who I thought was extremely suspicious. I was trying not to lock the town into a landslide Qg vote so we might learn something else. But apparently that's scummy because it puts those two at the top and its scummy because I also think Qg is scummy.

Qg

[Lewwyn]

Anyway I finished my work for the day, and I will be around from now until the end of the day, except when I grab some food, so I'll be around to argue more. If anyone wants to ask me anything. Its so refreshing to say I will be around instead of saying I won't be around.

[Azza]

Tally with 1 hour 50 minutes left in the day

Q (4) - Lewwyn, Serdoa, zakalwe, novice
zakalwe (3) - Gazglum, Q, Ryan
Lewwyn (1) - Mattimeo
Serdoa (1) - Jkaen