WW21 - The Professor Is Dead [game thread]

[Ryan]

Q, Gazglum = wolf pair.

Qgqqqq

Said day one without doubts and zero explanation. Thats not how Serdoa plays ya? I attacked him and he responded aggressievly and so did Zak to the rest of you. If you can get away with writing a post as scummy as this. Then I dont have to write a 10 paragraph post aswell.

[novice]

I've reread up to post 85 and am not much wiser so far. One question for Zak:

I don't know if there are any particular characters that strike me as much more likely to be scum than the others. I guess there are a couple that seem likely to be town, though. It's not clear to me how "outing" these characters will be useful.

So it's kind of scummy that [b]Qgqqqqq urges this on[/b] as something to just get out of the way.

Why was that scummy, Zak, when Q clearly didn't know the theme?

Lewwyn:

I'm keeping my vote on Lewwyn. I don't like how he felt that both Q and Zak were scummy as hell, personally I felt we had very little to go on yesterday. As scum Lewwyn is always careful to act with conviction.

This makes me wonder if we're playing the same game. I never said either were scummy as hell.

Yeah you're right of course, I was paraphrasing based on my impression of the thread, having not reread it. What gave me the impression that you were so sure on Zak and Q is that you seemed to only be considering them:

Qg... Zak... Qg... Zak

Also later you mention being torn between Zak and Q. As Serdoa points out you're following this up with being aggressively assertive about Zak today.

About lurkers, I agree with Serdoa's sentiments about lurkers, but I don't think you can call Ryan a lurker in this game. Mattimeo yes, although what he has posted has had substance. I actually think Mattimeo has a good point here:

Actually surprised no-one's jumped on me for only having one post in the last 45 hours. Makes me think both (two being basically perfect for nine) wolves are perfectly content with the current leading candidates... [Zak and Q]

Of course on of those wolves being content with a Zak vs Q showdown could very well be Mattimeo.

[Serdoa]

Q, Gazglum = wolf pair.

Qgqqqq

Said day one without doubts and zero explanation. Thats not how Serdoa plays ya? I attacked him and he responded aggressievly and so did Zak to the rest of you. If you can get away with writing a post as scummy as this. Then I dont have to write a 10 paragraph post aswell.

Ryan, you really should at least try to know what you are talking about. You have no clue how I play.

Apart from that: Stating that because someone else has in your opinion not done enough as justification for you also not doing anything is bullshit. Thats exactly the reason why this world is where it is, because people use this bullshit-excuse to completely ignore all the shit around them.

[Ryan]

I have enough experience from two games to know how you play. Also, you need to get being this aggressive. Thats whats raising my scum level of you, pure aggressive posting and attacks is something that I have never read in your posts. You also ignored the rest of the points , I raised so more scum points for you. Also, and you are going off on a tangent with this entire post you just made. What does this have to do with anythign related to this game? You didnt try to justify why that post isnt scummy. I pointed out that your attack on me posting only two lines is scummy by saying that your shooting rocks when your house is made of glass it self. You are not provoking me if this what you are trying + you are really tempting me to switch to you. Calm down abit, your letting your scum role show

[novice]

Let's try the Grandmaster's approach and assume Zak is innocent:

Unofficial tally with 2.5 hours remaining

zakalwe (4) - Gazglum, Lewwyn, Ryan, Q
Q (3) - novice, Serdoa, zakalwe
Gazglum (1) - Mattimeo
Serdoa (1) - Jkaen

Scum are happy with the vote split between Zak and Q. I also have town reads on Gazglum and Serdoa. (Gazglum more so than Serdoa). So let's assume:

zakalwe (4) - Gazglum, Lewwyn, Ryan, Q
Q (3) - novice, Serdoa, zakalwe
Gazglum (1) - Mattimeo
Serdoa (1) - Jkaen

Hm, this approach is superfluous with this few players. This is just a complicated way of saying that the scum are two of Zakalwe, Lewwyn, Ryan and Mattimeo.

Let's see what Mattimeo has to say.
Hm. I guess the chart above shows that if Zak is scum his most likely scum partner is Mattimeo. So there's that.

[Serdoa]

Ryan, you have no point. You have one post of me from D1. Did you look at anything I wrote today? There are quite a few long posts. You've done that now every game, taking one post of someone and telling everyone that now you know absolutely best that he has to be scum. You ignore everything else that happened, everything else that person wrote. I've now for two games tried to help you along, to make you look at the big picture. I'm tired of it. Maybe thats why you think I am aggressive, but I am not.

As for all your many scum-points: You maybe should try to put them in a coherent list because I don't see them. Your only points are "He made a short post D1" and "He is aggressive". Great catch Sherlock. The second point I have explained already, for the first point: Yes I made one. So what? As I said, you have no clue how I play. There is a reason no one has discussed that post much and it is that those guys know me a little bit better. They now how I can get pissed, they know how I can be absolutely certain yet totally wrong, etc. You don't. It is really that easy.

Also, please vote for me. Either you are a wolf and I can laugh at the villagers after the game for losing yet again to you or you are a villager and I can laugh at you for being oh so certain to know me just because you played two games with me. Heck, do you realize that not even my own wife really knows me? We are married for 12 years now and she is sometimes still surprised about the stuff I am doing and how I react in certain situations - but you surely have seen through me within 2 games and exactly understand how I react in all circumstances...

[zakalwe]

It feels like Ryan was seeking a confrontation yesterday, and it looks like he's doing the same today. That might be an easy way of establishing a presence in the thread without actually having to contribute much. I keep thinking of some line he dropped in the scum thread in the previous game, something like "alright I spammed up the game thread a bit, now let's figure out how to play this". I.e. a cool, analytical mind, hiding behind a much more erratic facade. (I should add the disclaimer that I haven't read all of that thread; but that bit stuck in my mind, from the parts that I did read.)

Have you got any abilities, Ryan? Just claiming your character name doesn't help much.

I will catch up properly now and try to answer questions and accusations.

[zakalwe]

If they’re not giving us many clues, then isn’t it better to leave them more time to get involved? Or for a watcher/scanner type to follow them at night?

Put simply, Ryan and Mattimeo are easier lynches than Zak/Novice/Lewwyn. And I’m suspicious of anyone who wants to keep us focused on lurkers when one or more ‘Super Wolves’ are almost certainly lurking right at the top. And today might be our last chance to get a majority together to stop them.

Why not have the watchers/scanners/trackers/whatnots focus on the alleged super wolves, and lynch the lurkers? You're taking a pretty unusual stance here, really. It's hard enough to get a lurker lynched as it is, in my opinion.

[zakalwe]

Alright, let's do a little analysis, then.

He then proceeds to rehash what has happened and then "look for Q's scum buddy" he's not looking for scum, he's looking for the scum buddy of the person he's voting for. He doesn't know Q's alignment! Do you think Village Zak would be "so sure"? Do you think he'd start throwing suspicion on people based on an alignment he doesn't know? But what does this achieve? It creates the aura of scumhunting. It also allows Zak to throw suspicion on me without voting for me because he's "still got to reaffirm Q's alignment". This way he gets to shed suspicion on himself, throw some on me and he doesn't have to take his vote of Q thereby endangering himself to a vote. He was under pressure and I think this was his response.

First of all, I have to say it feels like a bit of a setup that I am first criticized for not posting enough reasoning, and when I oblige I am promptly assaulted with accusations of trying too hard and throwing suspicion on people. Gazglum did specifically ask me what we would learn from Q's alignment. You're presenting it as if my post was an unprompted initiative, which is a little misleading. I also did cover both possible alignments, even if I made it clear that I was leaning scum, first and foremost.

And yeah, I was feeling pressure, maybe not at that point but certainly as the deadline approached. (I can't really recall the exact timeline here, to be honest.) Call me arrogant, but that mounting pressure on me only served to strengthen my belief that Q must be scum. And call me cynical, but to the extent that I had doubts, I couldn't really afford to show those, either, because my own ass was on the line.

[zakalwe]

Also, no quote because I can't find it right now, but I swear I saw Ryan saying that I was "aggressive" on day 1. Just for the record, I most certainly was not. That's a very inaccurate description, in my opinion.