WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[Qgqqqqq]

No reason, just not sure where to move it from here.
I think even if azza's vote is hijacked it can still be useful for pressuring people too - even if its scum controlled then theres the phsycological effect of seeing ones name in red and in votecounts (even though you may know it can't be used it can still have a effect).

[novice]

Mattimeo is looking for scapegoats.

I also found Mattimeo's vote for Azza to be an overreaction to Azza's desire to policy lynch.

(I'm glad Rowain's not playing so we don't have to digress on a long discussion about hypocricy at this point.)

I am Mattimeo's neighbour. I've found him to be overplaying paranoia in our neighbour thread.

[Gazglum]

Mattimeo is looking for scapegoats.

I also found Mattimeo's vote for Azza to be an overreaction to Azza's desire to policy lynch.

(I'm glad Rowain's not playing so we don't have to digress on a long discussion about hypocricy at this point.)

I am Mattimeo's neighbour. I've found him to be overplaying paranoia in our neighbour thread.

That's interesting. Are you allowed to give us an example?

Why are people voting for the mayor so early? Shouldn't we wait until we either look like we have a tie, or we have more information to go on? Otherwise a semi-random choice mayor risks being scum. I haven't played with mayors before, but delay seems the correct play to me here. Once a mayor is elected don't they last until they die?

I can understand anybody voting themselves mayor (lol @ Lewwyn's campaign), but less sure about the wisdom of voting for others at the moment when anybody could be scum. Even if they have a good track record.

I'm agreeing with others that Jkaen's post seemed possibly contrived. Everyone knows that first votes are random, its unnecessary to prematurely defend yourself about it: 'random noise' 'random lynch vote' 'could be on anybody'. Given my thoughts on mayors, I'm also unsure about his mayor vote. Voting reliable Uberfish mayor, after Novice already did, seems very much a 'don't rock the boat' kind of move. And like I said, I'm not sure voting in green for anybody is pro-town yet.

Where's Tasunke?

[novice]

I am Mattimeo's neighbour. I've found him to be overplaying paranoia in our neighbour thread.

That's interesting. Are you allowed to give us an example?

I'll do a full dump if TheStick allows it. (There are 15 posts in the QuickTopic.)

One example: He said TheStick's new signature caused him to suspect that we were supposed to be Masons to offset a 4-wolf group. This after I had already confused Neighbours with Masons earlier in the QT, which means TheStick would have had ample time to correct any misunderstandings. So the whole thing seemed contrived.

I guess that instance of paranoia was tongue-in-cheek but it seemed misplaced nonetheless.

Mayor votes can be changed, you know.

[Jkaen]

Ok, I am hear, other than a miller claim all I see before me is random noise.

Random lynch vote of Lewwyn, because he hasnt been early killed recently as I remember, but essentially this could be on anybody

Mayor vote on uberfish who I think has the best track record on playing

I don't like this post at all. It's a lazy vote for contrived reasons, especially coupled with the complaint about a lack of content while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion.

What complaint, its page 1 day 1, I wouldnt expect any different

Qgqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq because policy pinching the miller makes the most sense on day 1.

As opposed to doing it later, or as opposed to lynching someone else? Why do we have to policy lynch the miller?

As opposed to doing it later. It's an unverifiable role for village unless we have the role seer, but that is typically a scum role.

Policy lynxhing the miller is needed because they won't be targeted by mafia, and Q isnt a particularly easy player to read alignment of.

Also if we confirm that the village had a miller, we must have some powerful roles to make up for it.

There are a bunch of other ways to verify it other than a seer. If he is seen visiting somebody else for example then its a lie and we lynch him

Random lynch vote of Lewwyn, because he hasnt been early killed recently as I remember, but essentially this could be on anybody

I went back and read this and... Random vote isn't random... You say first that this is your random vote, then you say me, then you say because he hasn't been killed early, which is a reason for voting for specifically voting for me and is not random, but then he says this could be on anybody. So we have the declaration that this is a random vote at both the beginning and the end of the statement and yet there is specific reasoning in the middle to justify the vote?

You sir are trying too hard. Jkaen

I also still think Matt is trying hard.

Random votes are never random, who actually goes to random.org for their first vote, yet the first voes are generally considered random or joke

However, I'd also be ok with policy lynching me, as I'm dangerous to the town right now. So with that in mind, Azza.

It annoys me when people do this, I think its understood that most people will not go along with it, hence this gesturing I think could be considered a wolf tactic. but Azza if you want us to vote for you, I will happily help you out

Azza

I'm agreeing with others that Jkaen's post seemed possibly contrived. Everyone knows that first votes are random, its unnecessary to prematurely defend yourself about it: 'random noise' 'random lynch vote' 'could be on anybody'. Given my thoughts on mayors, I'm also unsure about his mayor vote. Voting reliable Uberfish mayor, after Novice already did, seems very much a 'don't rock the boat' kind of move. And like I said, I'm not sure voting in green for anybody is pro-town yet.

I think any time somebody votes they should explain why they are doing it, just dropping in a red name with no explanation helps nobody

[zakalwe]

Your analysis on Azza makes sense, but you need to Remmber Azza in fact can be scum controlled by a village aswell.

I agree with this. Although I don't really see anything wrong with pushing to policy lynch Q. I was half tempted to do so myself, if nothing better showed up.

I did wonder about this:

It's an unverifiable role for village unless we have the role seer, but that is typically a scum role.

Why "the" role seer?

Mattimeo being a neighbor makes me more open to lynching him, because part of my reluctance towards him was that he gave me a slight seer vibe yesterday. I didn't comment on his "upbeat" tone then, but for me it mainly reminded me of the game where everybody was a seer. With this new information, he would be a very "safe" lynch, yielding useful information, and eliminating a player who is historically bad at defending himself as town, anyway.

[Azza]

I did wonder about this:

It's an unverifiable role for village unless we have the role seer, but that is typically a scum role.

Why "the" role seer?

We've had a role seer pretty frequently over the past few games, it's almost a standard role that's given to scum these days. I assumed this game would continue that trend.

[Jkaen]

Zak why with limited mislynches do you want to start chasing after people who defend themselves adly, surely that is a point against going after him.

And what information do you see a mattimeo lynch giving, that Novice was telling the truth about his role, which is probably a taken. cant see anything beyond that

[zakalwe]

In terms of minimizing the damage caused by a mislynch, targeting someone who is likely to be mislynched later anyway is a good policy. Or to phrase it differently, the chance that he will be night-killed is essentially zero.

He's been attacked early by both Lewwyn and Uberfish, and now Novice has "turned on" him. When he finally did vote, he voted for Azza. All of that is useful information.

[Mattimeo]

So, in the QT:
novice starts with basically "oh hey, neighbours are awesome and really strong, we have a safe claim of two town so let's save it." I'm sorry, but neighbour and mason have distinctly different interpretations. Treating the former as if it's the latter implies either ignorance or a deliberate attempt to mislead, and I've never considered novice stupid.
I call him on this, noting a hope it's merely paranoia playing up, he backs down pleading ignorance (as is the only feasible non-scum justification).

Some do-nothing chat about creating the obvious link between us with the initial attack on Lewwyn.

Then I make the (rather obviously a joke, I would have thought) post novice quoted above, which apparently gave him enough ammo to seriously consider that an attempt to get me lynched might not result in a subsequent backlash against him under the assumption that neighbours tend towards a town/scum split in all but rank vanilla games.
He pushes for me to reveal my full role name, and then, after I provide that, asks in the game thread for a template? Why would you need a template unless you didn't know what the actual format for a town-aligned role was?

novice


Also, I fail to see how voting someone for attempting a policy lynch on a miller is in any way atypical for me. I seem to recall doing exactly the same thing the last time this happened...
Azza's self vote seems an appropriate way of dealing with a puppet-master.