Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Sullla]

That's probably fine, but as kalin said, it could be even simpler. How about: "Hey Germans. We'll trade you spices AND gems for your marble. Trade to go through as soon as you can offer marble. Sound good?"

They're the ones desperate for happiness, I don't think they'll be cutting off marble any time soon. But as I said, what we have is fine too. Just want to avoid haggling over the little details too.

[SevenSpirits]

Suggested draft - I'm going to go ahead and offer the two luxuries to make sure we just get this thing done. This team responds too slowly for us to afford haggling a little bit I think.

GWT,

We are a little thin on workers right now so chopping the jungle may not be feasible right now. In order to make it up to you, how about we trade you both the spices and gems for the marble in the meantime? In return we would just ask that you do not cancel the deal any time before T140. Let me know if this is acceptable to you guys - if so, we have a deal!

As soon as you can hook the marble we can make the deal. Any idea how long that will take you?

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

Fire away on opinions.

I preferred your previous attitude, and I don't like offering everything we have right away at all.

We should accept the gems for marble trade, ask when they can get marble hooked, and upon hearing their response, offer to throw in more if necessary to get them to hook marble faster.

Btw, we only need marble for 10t or less, right? So they literally won't be able to cancel the deal on us to hurt us, without declaring war. And we have a NAP.

[Tyrmith]

I'm not able to log in right now to see it, but according to aptmod we have another ingame 1 gold for 1 gold offer/diplo message from WPC.

[Tyrmith]

Additionally I'm in favor of immediately stating we'll give the Germans both luxuries for the marble. Offering two at once means that there's far less chance of them sitting on the message for awhile and thinking about it before they finally end up sending a worker or two to start on the marble. Not only that but immediately offering two luxuries is no small deal to them- they are going to be much more willing to see us as long term friends hopefully, and will reduce their distrust when our army rating starts to skyrocket up.

[kjn]

Yeah, already covered, and I even chatted a bit with their player when I logged in to take screenies.

Here is their in-game diplo message:



Since we can't spread Hinduism in their city until next turn anyway, I think our missionary have time for some sightseeing from the gold mine.

Then I chatted with the player that was logged in:



(I see I missed to get the opening pleasantries, but they're basically "Hi!".)

Here is what I sent them via the APTmod message interface. It's not good, but it's far better than in-game diplo message

Hi!

This is a test if you can receive diplo messages via the APTmod web site, so you aren't tied to using the in-game diplo screen to send messages.

Cheers,
kjn @ team Realms Beyond

[SevenSpirits]

Let me give an extra bonus reason for only offering one luxury.

Marble is really strong even if you only have it for 10t. Happiness on the other hand is kind of lame unless you get to keep it for a long period of time. Gems for Marble would feel to me like a long-term trade, while 2 luxes for marble feels like a short-term trade, because it makes it seem like we desperately want marble for a specific thing, and because it seems more likely that we would be willing to continue that trade into times when we are not using the marble. Therefore in my view the 1-for-1 trade actually looks more appealing.

[scooter]

Is it so hard for them to use an email account?

[scooter]

Let me give an extra bonus reason for only offering one luxury.

Marble is really strong even if you only have it for 10t. Happiness on the other hand is kind of lame unless you get to keep it for a long period of time. Gems for Marble would feel to me like a long-term trade, while 2 luxes for marble feels like a short-term trade, because it makes it seem like we desperately want marble for a specific thing, and because it seems more likely that we would be willing to continue that trade into times when we are not using the marble. Therefore in my view the 1-for-1 trade actually looks more appealing.

I'm fine with this. On your above question about a 10T window - yes, but it depends on when that 10T window starts. If they get marble hooked up THIS turn and send it to us, that 10T window will expire before we finish the Taj.

I'm very open to swapping back to just straight gems-for-marble and ask how long it will take to hook marble. I just don't want negotiations to drag past a point where we need the marble.

[kjn]

Is it so hard for them to use an email account?

Apparently

[Bigger]

Let me give an extra bonus reason for only offering one luxury.

Marble is really strong even if you only have it for 10t. Happiness on the other hand is kind of lame unless you get to keep it for a long period of time. Gems for Marble would feel to me like a long-term trade, while 2 luxes for marble feels like a short-term trade, because it makes it seem like we desperately want marble for a specific thing, and because it seems more likely that we would be willing to continue that trade into times when we are not using the marble. Therefore in my view the 1-for-1 trade actually looks more appealing.

I'm fine with this. On your above question about a 10T window - yes, but it depends on when that 10T window starts. If they get marble hooked up THIS turn and send it to us, that 10T window will expire before we finish the Taj.

I'm very open to swapping back to just straight gems-for-marble and ask how long it will take to hook marble. I just don't want negotiations to drag past a point where we need the marble.

they are still 13 worker turns away. are you worried they'll send 13 workers to get it done this turn, then suddenly not need happy 10 turns from now?