WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[uberfish]

Ryan if you didn't agree with lynching Matt why didn't you move Azza's vote to your preferred lynch target?

[Ryan]

I wanted Novice but you guys were convinced on matti. For me it was either scum or a mislynch were you get novice next. So I went to the second highest target Jkean to force pressure. I wanted to force Gagzulm or lewwyn to choose between matti or Jkean. I didn't want them to pass the day riding Jkean so. I feed gag or lewwyn 2 mayor votes. Then Azza votes Jkean with my power. This didn't work cause gag changed vote. So I canceled Azzas lynch vote since it wouldn't cause a diff. THEN I was about to cancel his mayor vote to BUT gag voted himself. I preferred him over uber for gut feeling. God comment was a joke... I am sorry for my toneless writing. If I was a scum puppet master , why would I reveal when a Q train is building up ? I wanted to stop you guys from thinking its 2 and half scum. I didn't want you to mislynch someone thinking he's a scum puppet master when it wasn't true. Lynch me , if u want proof that I'm not scum , lynch me. I don't want 4 days of looking for a scum puppet master that doesn't exist. I getting mislynches is better than mislynching another town role, which won't end the issue.

[Jkaen]

Jkaen's argument for Azza's innocence doesn't make much sense to me, if Azza is scum then scum had to have already given up on Mattimeo at this point. And I agree that Azza didn't really add much more to the argument than Novice already did.

What I really don't like is that Jkaen's first action in the day was to immediately go "I have to claim because there is heat on me", this is a scum reaction imo, and naming a result that had already been claimed by novice is just awfully convenient.

Since jkaen denies that there's a case against him I will summarize it here:

1) Follows novice onto Lewwyn (an indirect way to take heat off Mattimeo) without any real reason. He then claimed the vote to be random which I find unlikely.

2) when Lewwyn isn't picking up any momentum he then attempts to start a move on Azza who just made himself an easy target by selfvoting

3) Finally switches to Mattimeo late, only after it seems that he's going to go down anyway. It's odd that he would have been convinced by Azza and not by Novice given that azza repeated Novice's wording argument. But Jkaen being scum and switching to try and get some town cred because momentum was clearly against Mattimeo at this point would explain it.

Jkaen

I felt azza added the stress in the right point, novices stress was on 'the' which made no sense, azza switched the stress to 'town' which was far more important

1) when I voted it took him to 2 votes early, hardly massive, plus at that time Matt was on 1 vote, hardly under pressure dont you think?

2) The reason he made himself an easy target was that self voting is a stupid non town thing to do, so yes combined with other posts I quoted of course I voted him

3) Yes he was way in advance, but there was 12 hours to go on this swingy way we play that could have changed, if I wanted to as scum I had plenty of time to push another suspect if I wanted to

[novice]

don't you think two wolves sounds a bit low, even with a puppet on a leach?

Random quote.

Lots of plays here that I don't like, unfortunately they can't all be scum.

My gut says that one out of Gazglum and Zakalwe is scum.

Tasunke, are you going to comment on what has transpired so far?

[zakalwe]

I don't get it, Ryan. You wanted Lewwyn and Gazglum to be forced to choose, but they couldn't see your hidden hand guiding Azza's vote. So what were you trying to achieve, exactly? Did you want Jkaen to hang or not?

[Tasunke]

Well, trying to read through it but hard to catch some of the details. What is this whole
Puppet master thing and do we know for sure whether it's Ryan, azza, or some third party.

I like the wolf lynch but don't like that it was based off an oversight/ typo.

Therefore I am not certain that the raw vote count for
Day1 will tell us a whole lot.

[zakalwe]

My gut says that one out of Gazglum and Zakalwe is scum.

It's possible. I might be willing to offer him an early retirement.

[Tasunke]

I'll go ahead and place my red vote in gazglum so I don't get modkilled

[uberfish]

I'm actually inclined to believe Ryan here, just because he'd really be sticking his head in the fire if he was scum... in order to prove that Qqqq wasn't the puppetmaster. given that the consensus was that the puppetmaster was scum, it'd be really tempting for a scum puppetmaster to just keep his head down

[Azza]

I like the wolf lynch but don't like that it was based off an oversight/ typo.

I'm sick of this "oh we were really lucky to catch a scum because of the wording" bullshit. Mattimeo claimed he was a/the TOWN neighbour. thestick always described us as the village, not the town. Scum lying about their role name and getting caught in the lie is not luck.