WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[Azza]

I'm not sure why you'd think the puppet master visits someone at night.

[Jkaen]

Ok you are right I guess he visits during the day

[Ryan]

Jkean/gag for me. I am not with an Azza lynch. Azza I will try not touch your vote.

[uberfish]

Sorry Uber, it was clumsy of me to use the same wording across both cases. What I found suspicious in your take was that you assumed only 2 –actual- wolves, which seemed much too low for me, even if one was a puppet master. I’m willing to consider 3 wolves, one of whom is a puppet. It may seem semantics, but I think the latter is a much more balanced scum team for this set-up, and also fits in better with The Stick’s hints.

I did mention both possibilities IIRC. Azza was just somewhat of a town read yesterday.

but... I'm not the one trying to use meta reasoning to get someone lynched here. And I don't like this maneuvering at all. First gazglum points the finger at me for originating the 2.5 wolf theory. Then he himself pushes azza as a lynch target based on the theory. So, I suppose if azza flips town it'll be my fault for "leading the village astray".

It interests me that Azza was happy to self-vote as a policy lynch, but once a real train builds on him he fights for his life. So I’ll stick on him for now.

and now it looks like Gazglum is really stretching to find some reason to lynch Azza. So he is suspicious for defending himself now?

Gazglum

[Jkaen]

Has anybody any idea what the vote tally is now, I have lost track completely

[uberfish]

unofficial vote count

Azza (4) - Zak Q Gaz Jkaen
Gazglum (3) - Tas Nov Uber
Jkaen (1) - Azz

No vote - Ryan

[uberfish]

And looking at that count, my two main suspects (Gazglum and Jkaen) are trying to lynch Azza, together with Zak who's been fence sitting for most of the day. That wagon stinks.

[Ryan]

And looking at that count, my two main suspects (Gazglum and Jkaen) are trying to lynch Azza, together with Zak who's been fence sitting for most of the day. That wagon stinks.

Gagzulm

[zakalwe]

I haven't been fence sitting. I voted for Azza and then a wagon built behind me. Lately I have been thinking I should get off it, but I was planning to go for Jkaen. And now I'm pondering if I should follow you on Gazglum instead.

[Gazglum]

Uber, I think you're misreading my attacks on Azza a bit. Yes, it is a meta argument, and I said that from the start. The actual argument I laid out in post #273, and it doesn't mention 2.5 wolves at all. To summarise,

- Azza's voting record tells us very little, because he knew his votes would probably be changed anyway.
- I believe that Ryan is town, and I have strong doubts that puppet and master would both be town (I think, knowing my own ability, it starts to suggest an overly power-weak town lineup)
- This is because Azza's 'side-quest' in this game is to reclaim his liberty. If Ryan and Azza are both town then there is NO WAY he can do that without damaging our chances to win the 'main quest' of lynching wolves.
- If Azza is scum, then he has a in-game goal that makes sense.

That's the crux of the argument. And I don't think Azza has responded to it, except to suggest that Ryan could be scum. Well, yes, possibly, but as I've said before I think its supremely unlikely. A scum Ryan + Azza's vote + Mattimeo could have swung the Day 1 voting, and they didn't. Ryan could have let Qqqq choke on puppetmaster accusations, and he didn't.

If we lynched Azza and he flipped town, of course it won't be yoru fault Uber. It would be mine first and foremost, and I'm willing to accept that.

Look, I think Azza is sus. But I asked Zak/Uber/Novice their feelings, and its clear the village is against me. And obviously, I don't want to hang. So I am willing to move my vote back to Jkaen. I don't want to lose a village tracker, and I think his posts today haven't been that bad. But I think his posts were bad on Day 1, Lewwyn thought so too, and I think his alignment will be able to tell us a lot more about the Day 1 scum-votes (was there a chance of shifting the bus to an innocent Jkaen or not? If so, who might not want to have done it?).

So, Jkaen then, as I know Ryan will pick me over Azza.

Novice, I know you're village so you genuinely think I'm scummy. If you give me an actual case though, I will respond to it. Say what you will, at least I've been hammering away trying to build cases today. It's hard for me to defend myself against contextless votes, especially if you're about to go to sleep and leave it there.

Likewise Tasunke, who promised to be back after reading Day 1 but has since drifted away again. I do not want to be lynched on the whim of Tasunke, hopped up on painkillers.

Finally, I haven't revealed anything about my ability yet and I would much rather hold that back until Day 3. It would be better for the village if I did. However, if that reticence is going to be the sticking point for somebody voting me or not, for God's sake tell me now before you go to bed and I will say.