WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[Gazglum]

My political advisors have suggested that my last post's tone was too glum. I should try and build a better case for the defence, cos nobody else is going to.

There is no flourish of evidence I can use to protect myself. But there is also no evidence that confirms I am lying. Admittedly it looks bad. But consider this,

1. Unless Uber is a protector-healer type of person, and I presume he would have counterclaimed if he was, I am the only protection role. Scum obviosuly wouldn't have protection roles, at least not without vigilantes. If I am scum, then you are assuming a villager team with

- no alignment seer
- no protection
- no vigilante
- a puppet
- a neighbour who has been paired with a malicious criminal
- probably at least one of miller and anti-town puppetmaster

That is a shitty town lineup, unless Uber has something Uber up his sleeve.

2. Given that protection roles are fairly common, and a betting man would probably guess we had some kind of doctor/jailer/martyr going on, it would be a ballsy (read: stupid) scum ploy for me to claim martyr yesterday when someone else could counterclaim.

As Zak (I think) said, scum should claim as close to their real role as possible to minimise discrepancies. It would be a weird choice for me to claim martyr.

3. The choice of Tasunke, I think, lends weight to me telling the truth. WHo were the most valuable targets for scum?
- Novice: confirmed innocent
- Uber: if town, then Uber is hunting hard and well. He also has a potential power role.
- Jkaen: if town, then Jkaen has an admitted power role that could trap a scum

If I was scum, I could have taken out any of these three. Tasunke did turn out to be a seer, which was good for scum, but that surely had to be a lucky guess. I certainly hadn't seen any tells of him having more than usual knowledge. Rather the reverse actually. Tasunke is also someone who can be mislynched, and is unlikely to lead lots of people along behind him.

Note - Tasunke also fingered Zak as his most suspicious, and we KNOW from last game that Scum Zak will just knock off the votes against him for the win.

Ok, if I was scum and had claimed martyr, I wouldn't want to kill Novice after saying I would protect him. And killing Tasunke could be a way of backing up my claim, by making it look like scum were nervous about a martyr. But think about it. Think about what Qqq said yesterday. Scum don't do the big complicated plays, they do simple ones.

Why would I invent a role that meant I had to then NOT kill a high-priority target so as to stay in cover? I could have come up with almost any other role, and then killed Novice or Uber. The case against me is built on supervillain logic contortions. COmpare that to the other possibility: 'Scum has a roleblocker'.

4. We know that even if everyone is telling the truth about their roles, we have a possible blocker. Zak could have blocked me and Novice from connecting with his traffic-cop routine. Sure, it seems a bit random, but he's got to hit someone that first night. Zak is also on a lot of people's suspicion list.

This would require some seriously quick thinking on Zak's part. He owuldk have to have worked out the flaw in my story before Novice, then lied in his claim about blocking Azza/Novice because he wants to trap me. It's possible, I guess.

I think its also very possible that Zak is telling the truth, and that someone else blocked me Night 1.

IMPORTANT: Jkaen just got a 'no result' on Zak didn't he? But Zak admits that he blocked Jkaen from seeing Novice last night. SO surely that has to count as a visit to one or both of them. Either Zak is lying, Jkaen is lying (very risky, if he is scum and Zak isn't, so he just has to guess), or there is another blocker, who hit Jkaen last night, and hit me the night before.

But there can't have been a blocker on Jkaen, because I was guarding him. So Jkaen's ability HAD to get through.

JKAEN IS A LIAR OR ZAK IS A LIAR. Please remember this tomorrow if I am lynched and turn up innocent.

[Gazglum]

I'm even mentioning action resolution order.

Yeah, if you're town I'll laugh too. And then maybe you'll get the tears you've been dreaming of.

Gaz, since you're the only one who believes in your innocense you might as well tell us who you think the real scum are. I can't reread the thread currently without finding anybody colluding with you suspicious.

I've really enjoyed playing with you - those Nixon references crack me up.

So you have to admit that it's possible I was blocked, right? Whether you believe it or not?

Anyway, you're right that I should look for the real bad guys. The ones eying my mayoral sash. But you'll understand if I feel a bit drained and hopeless now. I'll have a fun Sunday and bounce back later on with the Real Villains names and shamed.

ANd yes, please don't try to find people colluding with me. Better to lynch me at this point rather than lynch a supposed Glum Partner. Because there aren't any. I'm as alone as lone can be .

[novice]

IMPORTANT: Jkaen just got a 'no result' on Zak didn't he? But Zak admits that he blocked Jkaen from seeing Novice last night. SO surely that has to count as a visit to one or both of them. Either Zak is lying, Jkaen is lying (very risky, if he is scum and Zak isn't, so he just has to guess), or there is another blocker, who hit Jkaen last night, and hit me the night before.

But there can't have been a blocker on Jkaen, because I was guarding him. So Jkaen's ability HAD to get through.

JKAEN IS A LIAR OR ZAK IS A LIAR. Please remember this tomorrow if I am lynched and turn up innocent.

I'm aware of this, and I was going to pursue that today until I caught the discrepancy in your story. As it is, the simplest explanation is that you are the scum roleblocker.

Why did you bring up your action absorption ability today but not when you first claimed? And why did you not wonder why I was post restricted, when you said yourself you were worried that scum had a jailer?

I concede that you could have been blocked on night one, but if so, why didn't you realize this yourself on day two?

[novice]

TheStick, what order are you using for resolving night actions?

Gazglum, would someone trying to roleblock JKaen hit you and not him?

Yes

Also, why did you answer yes to this? TheStick's order of operations states that roleblocking is resolved before protection.

[Gazglum]

TheStick, what order are you using for resolving night actions?

Gazglum, would someone trying to roleblock JKaen hit you and not him?

Yes

Also, why did you answer yes to this? TheStick's order of operations states that roleblocking is resolved before protection.

I answered you before TheStick responded about the action order. I wasn't told anything about action order, so I assumed that my ability would protect Jkaen before anything else could affect him. Otherwise, I have to say, my protection seems a bit crap. But apparently you're right, Jkaen would have been roleblocked first. I hadn't thought of that. In which case, I think he probably was.

The action absorption I didn't bring up yesterday because I hadn't thought about it. It did say it on my sheet, but I was just thinking in terms of protecting from kills, which was my own bad play and I'm sorry for it (normal disclaimer, please take these apologies in the right spirit after I flip innocent). The post restriction on you seemed so pointless and minor, especially when we already knew who had done it to you and that they were town, that I just didn't think about it in terms of my ability.

By the way, since I am now pretty sure that scum must have a roleblocker that hit me Night 1, (and maybe Jkaen night 2?), and I'm not so sure it was Zak anymore because that's pretty convoluted, I would like to hear Uber's claim. I really would.

[zakalwe]

I'm sure you would.

If you were innocent, you would have realized something was off the minute Novice said he was post restricted.

[Jkaen]

Well I think the case on Gaz is still besty, but if he isnt scum then I think it has to be Zak up next as based on me not getting a result, one of them must be scum

[uberfish]

And how would my claiming help the village Gaz? Everyone else has already claimed, so if I was scum I could claim anything I wanted without risk of incriminating myself.

I think Gaz is scum trying to find out the last piece of unknown information. And his role claim is faked. He wrongly guessed the action priority order when he should already have known it as novice and zak pointed out. I also don't see why a role called "Martyr" would redirect actions that were NOT kills.

[Gazglum]

And how would my claiming help the village Gaz? Everyone else has already claimed, so if I was scum I could claim anything I wanted without risk of incriminating myself.

You want to get into a pissing competition with the Mayor, son?

You can claim anything you want, of course. The Village is all about freedom. But if you're scum, you might claim something that helps us catch you.

Why WOULDN'T you claim, if you were town? Even if I am scum? What is it you think will happen? That you will get night-killed? Seems to me that would be a good thing, because it would mean Novice gets through another night, and confirmed villagers in the final days are worth their weight in gold. What would be so dangerous, at this point, about the scum knowing your ability?

Are you suggesting that your ability is so good that it must be kept secret from everybody? You're not a seer - we didn't start with three of them. You've said you're not a vigilante. You're not a doctor, because you would have counter-claimed me. You're not a miller. You're not an neighbour.

You a roleblocker?

From my perspective, Uber, there aren't that many possible scum combinations left. Novice is clean, I'm clean, and I'm still willing to gamble on Ryan's innocence. That leaves 2 wolves in 4 suspects, 6 combinations. I'm going to be thinking about them tonight and puzzling this thing out, to leave a map to follow when I flip town. And you're not getting town points from me at the moment.

I think Gaz is scum trying to find out the last piece of unknown information. And his role claim is faked. He wrongly guessed the action priority order when he should already have known it as novice and zak pointed out. I also don't see why a role called "Martyr" would redirect actions that were NOT kills.

This line of attack just makes no sense Uber.

1. How should I already have known the action priority order? Were you told the action priority order? I certainly wasn't in my PM, and I don't remember seeing it until the stick posted it in the thread, AFTER I had answered Novice what I assumed - that I would go first. It seemed logical to me.

If you mean I should have known because of Novice's post restrictions, then yes, probably, but I just screwed the pooch there (not literally, I don't want to read any filthy innuendo in the papers).

2. And this is exactly because of your second point. I, also, didn't see why a role called Martyr would redirect non-kills. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote my actual ability name, maybe you guys can tell me what the rule is on that, but the word that was used implied that it was an ability revolving around death. I didn't read it carefulyl enough, and so I assumed that was the limit of it.

It wasn't until I was asked exactly what my role was about that I rechecked and realised that it would transfer all targetted abilities, and by that point the post-restriction was such a non-issue and a few days in the past, so it slipped my mind.

I don't particularly expect you to believe me today. But tomorrow all these posts are going to be confirmed villager, so you can come back and read them then.

Now, Uber, I want to know your ability. And I think the rest of the town should be interested as well, unless you can get some backup for why claiming now would be so bad for the village?

[Qgqqqqq]

Sorry for disappearing, really tiring day and I haven't had a chance to look online all day.
I'm nackered, so I'll just no vote and try to catch up in the morning.