WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[Gazglum]

If your to have a shred of believeability, quote your pm name gazglum.

I'm not certain what you mean here either Q, but I presume you mean I should tell my ability text. If that is allowed I am happy to. The ability is called 'sacrifice'.

What's your ability called? 'Lie about alignment?'

Also, tomorrow is going to be LyLo. Even if you think I'm scum, you have to allow the for the fact I -might- not be, and then tomorrow is LyLo. If that is the case, I have a tough time understanding why you might fear Uber dying over Novice. Having Novice in the last 5 would make our jobsmuch much easier.

It doesn't matter though, because its not your choice or mine. Uber doesn't want to claim, and I respect that. I will take it into account when I think about scum pairs next though. Now that you're set on eradicating Novice's protection, it's just going to be the rest of you left alive tomorrow, so you're going to need all the help you can get. :P

*Eyes the whiskey bottle on the shelf. Might as well finish that off before they get here. In a few hours it will be time for *

[novice]

Q what is your ability name?

[Gazglum]

Ok, the hour of reckoning draws near. Gotta put down some thoughts. I’ve reread the thread.

My assumptions are: Novice is town. I am town. I’m also assuming Ryan is town, I strongly believe he is. If you disagree, then the rest of this will carry less weight.

I think the 2 wolves are therefore among Zakalwe, Uberfish, Qqqqqqq, or Jkaen.

Uber won’t tell us his role. Qqqq’s claim I find suspect. Jkaen being a tracker I’m inclined to believe, if he was scum he might as well claim that anyway. Zakalwe’s claim is odd, but believable for either alignment I suppose. I’ll believe him.

I also know now that I was roleblocked Night 1.

It’s possible that Zak blocked me, but that would require him picking ‘Gaz’ and ‘Novice’ as the two ends of his ability. It’s possible, but statistically unlikely. He would also have to have lied about it on Night 2 without much reason to. So I think I was plain roleblocked on Night 1, and since I believe Jkaen is a tracker, I think it was Uber or Q.

At least one of the scum is Uber or Q. Q, because he would be lying about his role, or Uber, because he would be choosing to withhold information that could save me. Friends don’t withhold from friends Uber.

Next up: impressions from thread.

[Gazglum]

JKAEN
- Rereading, I still find Jkaen scummy Day 1. He defends Mattimeo then flips away from him as soon as the evidence mounts. Post #104, he attacks 3 known innocents: Lewwyn, Azza and Novice.

- On the other hand, he hints as his track ability in #75

There are a bunch of other ways to verify it other than a seer. If he is seen visiting somebody else for example then its a lie and we lynch him

. I generally think that dropping ability hints before you have to is a town tell.

- By #211 Matt is dead and Jkaen reverses course, putting Novice, Lewwyn and Azza in the strong village. It’s inconsistent, but it is a fair response to Mattimeos’ death. Town points.

- Choosing to track Lewwyn is crappy luck or scummy, but I guess I can believe it. Still, slight scum points.

- Day 2 and Night 2 I think he then acquits himself well. Nothing very scummy in his posts. He admits that he’s voting Azza in self defence. His actual votes match mine, so I can’t fault him there.

- Overall, Jkaen is a question mark, but I think he feels less scummy now than he did day 1.

ZAKALWE
- I agree with Uber that Zak felt like fence sitting. He also turns on Mattimeo after the QT, but so did everyone else.

- He votes for Azza early in Day 2, it looks like a pressure vote. He leaves the prime scumhunting up to others.

- Switches back to Jkaen by the end of Day 2. At the time I thought this might be scummy, because if Jkaen was innocent then Zak had played a nice game in hemming and hawing before killing him.

- On the other hand, Zak is the only suspect who I know WASN’T on an innocent at the end of Day 2. That’s got to count for something. Town points.

- My biggest suspicion about Zak now is his interactions with Uber. Uber attacked Zak hard. But Zak only every uses passive defence, he never counter-attacks. If he was innocent, I would think Zak would think that Uber coming at him was a possible scum tell. He would investigate Uber a little more closely. Instead he just plays defence, and I find that suspicious.

- I think Zak could be scum, but only in certain pairings.

QQQ
- Kind of the opposite of Jkaen. After giving him a strong town lean early in the game, due to a Miller claim that was open to counter-claiming or checking, I’ve become less sure of him as time has gone on. He helped drive an innocent puppet to his death Day 2 (with my help, granted), and since then he has gone quiet. I can see Qqq trying to stealth his way through the next day or so, while suspicion hits me/Zak.

- Really frustrating about Tasunke here. Given Q had by far the most controversial claim in Day 1, a role seer should almost certainly have targeted him. But Tasunke didn’t know Q had claimed miller, and since we know he was town, I guess the error wasn’t faked. So although I would like to think that Tasunke scanned Q and found him telling the truth, I’m inclined to think that Tasunke didn’t scan anybody night 1. Null tell.

- Since I’ve known him, Q has mislynched first (AITP), won as scum, then been mislynched first again. Not a great record (sorry Q ). Given that, I can understand his pessimism at the start of this game.

- But I can also see how this would lead him to fake-claim miller. It’s a high risk move, but if he’s not instantly killed, it gives him a lot more cover going through the game.

- Novice and Q both said that we could have a miller without an alignment seer. Apparently we did before? I am deeply sceptical about this, however. I thought Q was town, because I thought we must have a seer. Now I know we didn’t, I don’t see why the miller ability. Scum tell.

- I know murdered Azza over bad meta, so I won’t weigh this meta line too heavily.

- Day 1, Q defends Matt to the last,

-But I like Lewwyn’s logic in Night 1 that we probably had one wolf on Mattimeo, one wolf off. And Q is my ONLY wolf suspect left who wasn’t on Mattimeo at lynch time. Scum points.

- #224, Q about the only person to openly support Jkaen start of Day 2. Null tell, but interesting to note.

- I agreed with his case on Azza, so I’m happy with that. But I didn’t like how he immediately jumped online with his, ‘just too late’ in post #410, after Azza's death, and throws some dirt on his partner in Azza crime – the Glum. He knows that both of us will be looked unkindly upon, and maybe wants to prep me for the coming noose.

- I've not liked his play the last few hours. Supporting Uber in what I see as an anti-town level of secrecy. Weird post at me.

-Q has gone from probably town to potential scum for me.

UBERFISH
- I did a big attack on Uber at the end of Night 1, and looking back I think a lot of that still stands. Like Zak, he was quiet on Mattimeo before turning on him once the game was up. But I see him as scummier than Zak, because Zak was at least participating.

- Uber goes dead silent until Mattimeo is ruined, and then he chimes in. Players avoiding taking part in successful scum hunts is a scum tell for me.

- He then suggests Night 1 that we are looking for only one more scum, the puppeteer. I think that was rubbish then and now. Scum tell.

- He says he thinks that no bussing occurred on Mattimeo:

Happy we got Mattimeo lynched despite the puppeting of Azza. Lewwyn, why do you think he was bussed? To me it didn't read like there was anyone really trying to take credit for the lynch. In the fairly likely scenario that Azza is village with a scum master, scum were probably hoping for a last minute switch that didn't happen.

Likewise, this strikes me as suspect.

- I wildly accuse him of shennaginans. What does Uber do?

- No response. At all.

- Big scum tell. In my experience, when a villager is falsely accused they lash back. I’m not familiar with UBer’s play, but just waiting for a serious attack on his honour to blow over is suspicious. It’s the play of someone who is trying, above all, not to draw attention to their own record.

- #334 he attacks me with what I consider a misrepresentation of my post.

- Most of Day 2 I like. I think his attacks on Zak have merit. His attack on me is sad, but defensible. My initial suspicion of him was fading here.

- Surprised that Uber wasn’t killed Night 2. If he was town, he would seem the obvious victim from scum if they couldn’t’ trust Novice. Maybe they WIFOMed and thought I would think so too. Minor scum tell.

- But now we have Day 3, and I really don’t like him again. I don’t think he can have an ability so good that it is worth more to us than Novice’s life. Maybe he is keeping quiet to try and convince scum that he does. Draw their fire. Maybe.

- Uber fits a possible roleblocker well, to my mind, (as does Q). He is currently my highest Scum Alert.

Next up: the pairs!

[Gazglum]

Given my thoughts above, here's what I think about pairs. In order from least to most likely.

ZAK-JKAEN: No. Zak's vote on Jkaen in Day 2 should have been enough to kill him. It was insanely risky play for a scum pair who had already lost their third man.

ZAK-QQQQ: I see almost no evidence for this one way or the other. If this is right, they've played a fantastic game.

ZAK-UBER: Has merit. Mainly built on Day 2 interaction. I can read that plausibly as an agreement for Uber to attack Zak hard, and Zak to play the scummy vibe while Uber gets the town points. If Zak is lynched, Uber can stealth to victory. Uber attacks Zak most of the day before switching to me and then vanishing. Reminds me of Lewwyn-Zak last game.

JKAEN-Q: Possibly. We then have two scum on the block Day 1, which explains Qs reluctance to vote for either of them, and try to attack other innocents instead. Their roles could match if Q was the blocker: Q lies about his role, Jkaen goes around trying to track the seer (Lewwyn/Zak). Q shuts me down night 1. But why does he shut Zak down night 2? Or does he? It gets confusing there, and I'm not sure.

JKAEN-UBER: I like this pairing for Jkaen. Uber saying no bussing occurred in Mattimeo is a way of protecting Jkaen. Here, Uber is the blocker and Jkaen tracking for seers. Uber also wants to save Mattimeo, but then has to bus him because the only alternative is to attack Jkaen.

Q-UBER: This is my favourite pairing. Partly because these two are now my most scummy. They are supporting each other Day 3 when I put some heat on Uber. Prior to that they don't really interact at all. They split their vote on Nights 1 and 2. The start of today the split their attacks as well. No attacks on each other that I can remember. Uber won't claim, and I don't trust Qs claim, so either could have scummy roles. Either could a be a roleblocker, and then Night 2 makes sense because one of them hits village Jkaen, who then doesn't get a reading on village Zak.

Ok. That's it. Sorry tehre's so much text, but look back at it and consider for tomorrow.

I'm voting Uberfish.

Finally, I would like to make a real last will and testament. In a few hours, I will no longer be your mayor. You will have to elect another, and on that might hinge the game, as tomorrow's vote could come down to 2/2/1. I assume Novice will be dead.

Vote Ryan. HE WILL FEED YOUR CHILDREN.

*Opens desk drawer and pulls out a nickel revolver to place on the table next to the whiskey tumbler. Those bastards won't get a noose around Gazglum's neck. No sir. He'll take the soldier's way out.*

[thestick]

going to be a bit late again. i really stink at following my own.deadline.

[Qgqqqqq]

By pm name I mean role name, which gazglum stated earlier today is NOT martyr.
Mine is of course "the village miller"

Respond to gazglym soon.

[thestick]

With apologies... deadline was 50 minutes ago. Given how much I'm apologizing lately, avatar seems remarkably appropriate.

God, give me strength...

I woke up to the sound of the villagers banging on my doorstep, calling for my head. I poured myself a glass of whiskey, then went out to meet them. A certified angry mob had assembled at night, angered over the death of Tasunke. Torches, sharpened sticks, the works. zakalwe was brandishing his pistol. Was Qgqqqqq holding a giant frozen fish?

The villagers took me to the central square. They threw silver bullets and holy water at me, laughing and proclaiming me the werewolf. zakalwe pulled out his pistol and shot at my feet, cackling as I jumped about.

But thank you God, for last night he sent me a warning. One of his angels came down and told me, "next day will be your last. In the name of the Lord, leave behind as much evidence as you can, so that your remaining villagers can carry on your burden." And so I called for a mass claim to leave behind as much as I can. uberfish is strangely tight-lipped.

They are already chanting my name. I must make the succession as easy as possible. I have refiled the meager records, and left extensive written instructions on what being the mayor entails. I have also hidden the town's cash reserves, to prevent the Mafia from stealing them. I have left the treasure map for my successor. Though I did help myself to the last of the whiskey. I will need all the strength I can get.

As for these records. I wish to set the record straight on what has occurred. Furthermore, the villagers will not listen to me now. They have convinced themselves of my guilt. I hope when I die an innocent man, they will be able to reevaluate my words.

Sundown. It is time. God, I pray I will enter into your kingdom.

Gazglum, Village Martyr, was lynched Day 3.
Mayor elections will be held tomorrow.

Since the forum downtime tomorrow is planned to be during a night phase away from deadline, the deadline won't be delayed, obviously barring anything happening closer to deadline.

[Qgqqqqq]

...since then he has gone quiet. I c

I informed the thread in advance that I would be abset, and this is not something I would lie about in mafia.

My pessimism was due to WW19 where there was a massive push to get a miller lynched day 1, while I have had a bad track record since you've known me, I only consider it a single mislynch in my time here (I hadn't been lynched until you came, and aitp was pure random).
I don't know why you find my claim suspect - its slight town points for the possibility of counter claiming, but a null tell otherwise as there's no problem with no seer (as I keep telling you, its been done before).
Therefore, why would I do this to gain cover? If anything, it puts my name out there...
Uber could be anything and could find a scum. No matter what though we gain nothing by forcing him to claim now instead of tomorrow - all we do is help scum with their kill.

Fake edit: GG gazglum

[thestick]

Okay, everything is up to date. Edited first post, added in flavor writeups.