WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[novice]

No, that's him saying Martyr is his role name but not his ability name. He later said his ability name was Sacrifice.

Do you have an ability name, Q?

[Qgqqqqq]

That's not what I got from it, but I suppose that's probably how it was meant...

My ability name is "Suspicion:"

[novice]

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[zakalwe]

Im busy for the rest of the day. Hope thats enough info for all of you.

Why could you not just answer the actual question, and tell us the name of your ability (or abilities)? If you spent so much time discussing your role PM with the mod, it shouldn't be so hard to recall.

If you really have a second ability, triggered by Azza's death, that should just be yet another reason why you'd support lynching him. Instead, you actively defended him on day 2, as if you already knew his alignment and cared more about preserving your double vote.

And now you say you're hitting me with some kind of calamity, knowing that I have the ability to block it, if I'm town. So what is the purpose of declaring it up front? If I'm scum, I'm getting advance notice and can coordinate a response with my buddy. If I'm town, you're just stretching me thin, giving me more distractions to worry about, and reducing my chances of stopping the night kill. So is this a deliberate diversion, or just plain stupidity? And what is your motivation, again? Apparently the same as it was back on day 1; I was scum last game, so I need to hang in this one. Speaking of day 1, you had the power to lynch Jkaen back then if you wanted, but you just dallied about instead, putting on your best "nobody ever listens to me" act, as if you were impotent. That play still makes no sense to me, unless you're scum with Jkaen.

If you're town, I must say your play is extremely frustrating. It's both irrational and evasive, and you're not arguing clearly. I certainly don't think you're in a position to criticize my scumhunting.

[novice]

2. Why would Azza perform the night 1 kill, and JKaen the night 2 kill?

2. If Azza was scum, he was arguably the least valuable scum, since he couldn't control his own vote. (Unless Ryan was in on it, which seemed unlikely.) Also, blocking him (and you) would have no ill effects in case he was innocent. Similar logic applied for Jkaen on night 2; he had no reason to track you, so the block was harmless if he was innocent. Blocking Gazglum would be risky, as I didn't want to stop him from protecting you if he was telling the truth.

Zak, why did you think that Ryan was unlikely to be in cahoots with Azza?

[zakalwe]

I thought a scum puppeteer/puppet pair sounded unlikely, similar to a scum/scum neighbor pair. And it would be overly fancy/risky play to link their made-up roles like that. If one of them got caught, the other would follow.

[zakalwe]

Ok, I see what you're asking. Substitute "The puppeteer" for "Ryan" in my original post. I didn't know who the puppeteer was at that point, obviously, but the reasoning still stands.

[novice]

I still don't like this post by Zak. His role claim reads like how he would compose a role PM - it doesn't look like paraphrased bits of a PM. The result claimed by Jkaen doesn't match Zak's own claim, but Zak doesn't even explicitly mention that, he just automatically assumes that Jkaen was blocked and attacks Gazglum for being the blocker. Here's the kicker though: He justifies the night one Azza block by saying that Azza would be the least valuable scum since Ryan was unlikely to be scum with him. However, Ryan didn't claim puppet master until day two.

Why would we even have two roleblocking abilities in play? With just 11 players surely TheStick aimed for a more varied setup. No, Zak is a scum roleblocker following his own advice of keeping his claims as close to the truth as possible. He blocked Gaz on night 1 but can't admit to that, which is why he made up the bit about Azza.

Ok, let's not waste any more time waiting for Jkaen to clarify. Presumably he'll just say that he can't distinguish between being blocked and me going nowhere. It just felt like he was trying for extra credit in case I had a passive role and did nothing.

I'm a traffic cop. I used to be a detective, but got demoted for my practice of publicly executing my suspects. I have an ability called roadblock, which lets me pick two players and prevent them from targeting each other. On night 1, I chose Azza and Novice, figuring that Azza would perform the kill if he was scum. On night 2, I chose Jkaen and Novice, figuring that Jkaen would have no reason to track Novice.

So if anyone blocked Jkaen, it wasn't me. I would only prevent him from tracking Novice.

Now, Gazglum,

*pulls out his service gun and starts shooting at the ground*

let's see you do the quickstep.

Three questions, Zak:
1. Are you not worried about quoting your role pm? That's some pretty specific flavor you're listing there.
2. Why would Azza perform the night 1 kill, and JKaen the night 2 kill?
3. Why did you vote Gazglum here when you know that you visited JKaen, and JKaen claims "no result"?

1. Not really, all of what I said is paraphrased from the exact wording in my role PM. I did "quote" the name of my ability, but I don't see why that would be a problem. We've always been doing that before without any reactions from the mod. That's not what the no quoting rule is meant to prevent.

2. If Azza was scum, he was arguably the least valuable scum, since he couldn't control his own vote. (Unless Ryan was in on it, which seemed unlikely.) Also, blocking him (and you) would have no ill effects in case he was innocent. Similar logic applied for Jkaen on night 2; he had no reason to track you, so the block was harmless if he was innocent. Blocking Gazglum would be risky, as I didn't want to stop him from protecting you if he was telling the truth.

3. I was more interested in pressuring Gazglum at that point. I thought a Gazglum + Jkaen pair was pretty likely, and I still do. But Gazglum visiting (by his own admission) Jkaen could also mean that Jkaen was telling the truth about being blocked. If he is innocent, and the scum have a blocker, then blocking him would be a pretty logical thing to do. So if Gazglum flips as a roleblocker, then that just about clears Jkaen in my mind.

Crosspost with Zak.

[novice]

Ok, I see what you're asking. Substitute "The puppeteer" for "Ryan" in my original post. I didn't know who the puppeteer was at that point, obviously, but the reasoning still stands.

It makes it look like you constructed the reasoning later on.

[zakalwe]

Ok, I see what you're asking. Substitute "The puppeteer" for "Ryan" in my original post. I didn't know who the puppeteer was at that point, obviously, but the reasoning still stands.

It makes it look like you constructed the reasoning later on.

I didn't, I just described it later on. The reasoning was simple: If Azza is scum, then he's likely shackled by a town puppetmaster, so he'll be deemed expendable. When describing that in hindsight, I just filled in Ryan as the puppetmaster since I knew that to be the case.