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RB PBEM #1 - Mehmed (SPOILERS!)

zakalwe Wrote:So it is not sufficient to just convert to confucianism state religion before completing the AP?
We think so, but Ruff is going to run a test this morning to absolutely confirm it.
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t65 - No splash screens, and no completed builds this turn to greet us. Domestically, Workers work and unit shuffle. Settlers for both Orange Dot and Pigs/Rice/Copper are in place and will found their respective cities next turn.

Spot Ruff's Chariot at 0.2/4 health - will have to ping him about how it got so banged up.

Here's an interesting question for you though: I can apparently trade resources with sooooo, but not with Ruff!? The only route I really haveto sooooo runs through Ruff, so I'm really not certain how that can be.
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A note received from mh:
Quote:Well, I am late in replying to this issue, but then you solved it already in a way not leaving much room for a compromise.

mh
Quote:mh,

I realise that I took a unilateral approach to solving this issue, but as I previously stated I felt it necessary to ensure my long-term defense. I had the Settler en route when I first noticed the placement of Vienna, and I did adjust the city placement to ensure no overlap of workable tiles.

As some degree of reparations, I am willing to gift you the Horses from that valley until you are able to connect your own supply. It should take ~10t for me to connect them up to Bursa and complete a road to Vienna.

Have you thought any further about how we could structure a Civil Service / Metal Casting trade? We could balance it with a lump-sum of gold (or a gpt deal), or a future tech consideration. What is your ETA on MC at the moment, and have you thought further down the tree? I am due CS in 2t, and am still considering where to head after that.

Dreylin II.
Offering the Horses really doesn't hurt me, and is a bit of a good-will gesture. Tim's priority is to connect Bursa to my trade network, Pasture the Horses, then connect Bursa to mh's trade network to enable trade routes anyway; so this just adds the road on the Horses to that list.
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Communication from Athlete:
Quote:Hey Dreylin,

I'm on to teching construction & my understanding is you are teching civil service? I haven't checked costs but if construction and code of laws are close together I'd love to get that in return. Let me know your thoughts.

Athlete
Quote:Athlete,

I believe that Construction & Code of Laws are the same cost (I use this page http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/techs at CFC for reference, though they are Normal Speed beakers), so that sounds like a good deal to me. I know you've probably only just started the tech, but do you have an approximate ETA yet?

How are your relations with mh at the moment I notice that your borders are fairly tight in the border zone, and wondered if you had discussed the area before settling?

Dreylin II.
It's a fine deal, though I was hoping that sooooo would go Construction so as not to go for Music as I now expect him to. Also some digging regarding his relations with mh; with any luck there are some divisions there which I can exploit later.... wink
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An e-mail, and a chat with Ruff this morning:
Ruff_Hi Wrote:Agreed dependent on AP religion swap test.
I actually ran a test myself last night (using my Oracle testing save) and confirmed that if you start building in Hinduism and later swich to Confucianism before completion, the AP unites the Confucian faith.
Quote:me: So how did your WB test go?

Ruff.Hi: errr ... oops
got to be way to late last night and slept on the train in toray
today

me: Hehe

Ruff.Hi: will try to knock it off at lunch

me: I ran a brief test myself, which seemed to confirm our conclusions
(I used an existing test save of Mehmed)

Ruff.Hi: good
how are your plans going in the W ... looks pretty tight out there

me: Bursa was the one I needed
It's snug over there, but there's virtually no overlap
and none of us are Creative
Is DV hooked up to your Capital yet?

Ruff.Hi: no

me: (trying to work out why I can't trade resources with you)

Ruff.Hi: capital is not connected to other cities

me: ah

Ruff.Hi: oh ... that might be the reason
got nothing to trade yet anyway

me: Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere

Ruff.Hi: will hook it up in a few turns

me: I'm connected up to sooooo
he has Stone frown

Ruff.Hi: have copper at capital and want to build warriors in other cities ... thus no connecting capital

me: Ah
MP guys?

Ruff.Hi: I'm going to make a special warrior production city and then hook up my capital
yes
happiness

me: sure
Oh, I noticed your Chariot is looking a bit banged up....

Ruff.Hi: yes

me: Has the Barb city upgraded to Archers yet?

Ruff.Hi: pretty sick
no ... still warriors
killed one for you smile

me: 5xp?

Ruff.Hi: 90% chance of victory ... ended up with 4HPs

me: ouch

Ruff.Hi: no!
still at 4

me: hmmmm

Ruff.Hi: will have to stop and heal somewhere

me: I'm thinking of leaving it there until it starts to grow Archers

Ruff.Hi: it should to that now that I have archery

me: You're welcome to do so in Ottoman lands. wink
Yeah

Ruff.Hi: will stop in a city and heal

me: There'll be a new one 2S of the Copper next turn
(not sure if that'd be the closest)

England seem to be going quite well at the moment wink

Ruff.Hi: yeah - boo

me: You listening, or following online?

Ruff.Hi: cricinfo

me: Ah
listening to TMS

Ruff.Hi: ?
link please!

me: Test Match Special
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/...138912.stm
down on the RHS is the pop-up

Ruff.Hi: ok, now I am a happy little chappie

me: Hehe

Ruff.Hi: back to work then

me: wink
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Rounding things out was a message from sooooo:
Quote:Hi Dreylin.

What are you researching? I'm going for construction. Due in 4.

sooooo
Eeeeexcellent, another two civs duplicating research (and maybe I have a chance at Music). I decide to be honest with him, write the e-mail and then forget to send it!
Quote:Hey sooooo,

[Sorry for the delay on this; I wrote the message this morning but then got distracted by work and the cricket and obviously forgot to send. frown ]

Hmmmm, I've already agreed a deal for Construction with athlete. I'm a couple of turns from CS myself, and haven't decided yet where I'll head afterwards.

Dreylin II.
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t66 - Istanbul completes Archer, starts another; Ankara completes HA, starts Worker (3t).

WTF!? How has Twist completed her move already, and BTW, what is she doing there!? Well I guess I must have automated her at the end of last turn and she's drunk now. First thing I do is go to all my other Workers and cancel their orders just in case.

It's pretty costly, as Twist's job is to connect up Orange Dot and Pasturise the Sheep. Speaking of Orange Dot ... or should I say Konya:

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Oh, and Samsun:

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To clarify my earlier question, what I meant to ask was this:

Does it matter which religion(s) are present in the city where the AP is built? Or is the only relevant variable which state religion you're currently running? (And finally, which sounds like the issue you're going to test, what happens if you change state religion mid-way through the AP?)

EDIT: Reading more closely it looks as if you already answered these questions, and the only relevant variable is the state religion at the time when the AP is completed. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Sorry smile
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zakalwe Wrote:EDIT: Reading more closely it looks as if you already answered these questions, and the only relevant variable is the state religion at the time when the AP is completed. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Sorry smile
Yep, that's correct; State Religion at time. No problem!
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Losing those worker turns is very frustrating. Hopefully it'll end up being a small effect in the big picture though. Is there a chance you could post another overview map with all the recent developments in the near future? It's starting to get difficult to keep track of where everything is now.
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