[SPOILERS] Jowy & Stampy

[Jowy]

4/24/13 10:54 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 10:49 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 10:43 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 10:40 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 8:29 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 8:28 pm AT Finished turn
4/24/13 8:28 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 8:28 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 8:25 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 6:58 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 6:57 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 6:47 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 6:36 pm AT Score decreased to 821
4/24/13 6:31 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 5:00 pm AT Logged out
4/24/13 4:25 pm AT Score decreased to 828
4/24/13 4:08 pm AT Score increased to 831
4/24/13 4:05 pm AT Logged in
4/24/13 5:23 am AT Score increased to 813
4/24/13 5:23 am A new turn has begun. It is now 580 AD
4/23/13 9:43 pm AT Logged out
4/23/13 9:36 pm AT Logged in
4/23/13 7:40 pm AT Logged out
4/23/13 7:35 pm AT Logged in
4/23/13 6:29 pm AT Logged out
4/23/13 6:29 pm AT Finished turn
4/23/13 5:16 pm AT Logged in
4/23/13 3:42 pm AT Logged out
4/23/13 3:36 pm AT Score decreased to 785
4/23/13 3:24 pm AT Score decreased to 792
4/23/13 3:12 pm AT Logged in
4/23/13 11:20 am AT Score increased to 795
4/23/13 11:20 am A new turn has begun. It is now 560 AD
4/23/13 5:00 am AT Logged out
4/23/13 4:56 am AT Logged in
4/23/13 4:22 am AT Logged out
4/23/13 4:17 am AT Logged in
4/22/13 7:03 pm AT Logged out
4/22/13 6:56 pm AT Score decreased to 785
4/22/13 6:55 pm AT Logged in
4/22/13 4:04 pm AT Logged out
4/22/13 4:04 pm AT Finished turn
4/22/13 3:57 pm AT Score decreased to 788
4/22/13 3:54 pm AT Score decreased to 792
4/22/13 3:44 pm AT Score decreased to 795
4/22/13 3:40 pm AT Score decreased to 805
4/22/13 3:40 pm AT Score decreased to 811
4/22/13 3:39 pm AT Logged in
4/22/13 8:31 am AT Score increased to 815
4/22/13 8:31 am A new turn has begun. It is now 540 AD
4/21/13 2:47 pm AT Logged out
4/21/13 2:44 pm AT Logged in
4/21/13 9:48 am AT Logged out
4/21/13 9:41 am AT Logged in
4/21/13 6:43 am AT Logged out
4/21/13 6:41 am AT Logged in
4/20/13 4:35 pm AT Logged out
4/20/13 4:21 pm AT Logged in
4/20/13 9:50 am AT Logged out
4/20/13 9:50 am AT Finished turn
4/20/13 9:35 am AT Logged in
4/20/13 9:33 am AT Score increased to 808
4/20/13 9:33 am A new turn has begun. It is now 520 AD
4/20/13 8:47 am AT Logged out
4/20/13 7:37 am AT Logged in
4/20/13 6:57 am AT Logged out
4/20/13 5:48 am AT Logged in
4/19/13 3:57 pm AT Logged out
4/19/13 3:56 pm AT Finished turn
4/19/13 3:50 pm AT Logged in
4/19/13 10:02 am AT Score increased to 795
4/19/13 10:02 am A new turn has begun. It is now 500 AD

23 log-ins in 4 and a half turns.
If you were wondering about why I play the very last :P

[teleh]

I serpose this is from Civstats, but only AT's records...

I see this:
4/23/13 11:20 am A new turn has begun. It is now 560 AD
4/23/13 5:00 am AT Logged out
4/23/13 4:56 am AT Logged in
4/23/13 4:22 am AT Logged out
4/23/13 4:17 am AT Logged in
4/22/13 7:03 pm AT Logged out
4/22/13 6:56 pm AT Score decreased to 785
4/22/13 6:55 pm AT Logged in
4/22/13 4:04 pm AT Logged out
4/22/13 4:04 pm AT Finished turn
4/22/13 3:57 pm AT Score decreased to 788
4/22/13 3:54 pm AT Score decreased to 792
4/22/13 3:44 pm AT Score decreased to 795
4/22/13 3:40 pm AT Score decreased to 805
4/22/13 3:40 pm AT Score decreased to 811
4/22/13 3:39 pm AT Logged in
4/22/13 8:31 am AT Score increased to 815
4/22/13 8:31 am A new turn has begun. It is now 540 AD

(from bottom to top obviously)

Did AT do something here after he ended turn which reduced his score? (Like whipping?) Is that kosher if he did? Or is that someone else doing something...?

So and if AT ends his turn, isn't it all good for you to play afterward, regardless of if he logs in again? (I am thinking the deal is that you're trying to subtly (or otherwise!) take the last part of the turn for WAR (see previous post) reasons...)



Or are ya just gripin' about delayed turns with heaps'o'logins?

(So many questions, Quasimodo)

(And PS - please ignore my posts if you like - I'll consult with G. I. Jose if I really want to reduce the cost of the battle by 50%. )

[Jowy]

That's how it should be in my opinion, but lurkers decided earlier in the game that you can freely log in after you've finished your turn and do whatever you want. AT has a habit of logging in a ton and doing stuff after ending his turn (as proven by decreases in score, aka whipping). If I were to play right now for example, AT would have 5 hours (or however long it takes for the others to finish their turn) to react to my movements. But if I'm the last one to play, then the turn will roll over once I press enter, and AT won't have a chance to react until his next turn. It's a bit annoying to only have a 15-60min window (2M likes to play his turn just before the timer ends) to play my turn, but it's better than having him gain any advantage.

[teleh]

*headscratch* dunno what the history is, but I reckon if you end turn, it's goodnight, Noreen.

[teleh]

The opinion of which, of course, pales in comparison to the presentation of declaring war immediately being a good idea.

*shrug* Perhaps you really should take my own opinion with a grain of salt - as *cough* I'm trying to help *coughstiruptroublecoughcough* really.

Heheh, you're doing alright though huh. No big deals with economy or military.

[Serdoa]

Whips won't show up till the next turn anyway and if I look at your screenies I don't see how him whipping or not whipping would change anything regarding your movement tbh. Of course he could move his own troops after you - but that wouldn't make a difference either imo because if he moved those troops after you he can't move them before you the next turn, as that would be a double-move and I think you have decided to not allow them, right?

Tbh, I would send him a message and clarify if you both interpret the rules in the same way (=not moving units after the turn is ended) or not. That's certainly better than letting the timer run down every turn just to be certain that you don't lose some kind of advantage (that I personally don't believe to exist ).

Btw: As I know I come across kinda rude when I suggest stuff, let me point out that this is not meant disrespectful Jowy. I just get the feeling you haven't considered just talking with him about this and I am pretty sure that you two both actually do have the same general principles for how to handle those war-turns and therefore this is just making life harder for you and for all other players with no need.

[Jowy]

NP Serdoa, I'm actually in the same boat. I'm very blunt because of cultural differences and sometimes people confuse it with disrespect. Anyway, according to lurkers decision earlier, you are allowed to log-in after ending your turn and do stuff, so technically he is allowed to double-move. Now it starts being an issue since we are actually in war, not just border skirmishing. I'll contact AT, I think he'll be reasonable. I appreciate the help, both of you

[Lewwyn]

Once AT ends his turn he shouldn't do anything else. Don't accuse lurkers of saying something we didn't. The situation you refer to was when you were NOT at war yet. If AT were to log in after he ended turn during war and logged in after you and whip I would ask for a reload.

[Lewwyn]

I also posted AT's thread to tell him as well. You should still message him to clear it, but hopefully there should be no issues.

[Jowy]

I had already sent him a PM, so I hope your message won't mess anything up.