{THE BARRACKS} 2R1B

[Azza]

Why do the blues assume that they control both rooms? Both rooms are split 4-4-1.

Greys (specifically you pindicator in this case), you're not blue aligned, your interests will not be taken care of by the blue team. They are not promoting solutions that help you win, they just want you to stay out of their way.

Pindicator, if they keep you here, and the bomber stays in the other room, you have absolutely no control over whether you win. The blue team will have to send the bomber or the president back to this room. You'll have no say, you'll just have to hope that they don't screw you over. If you go over to the other room, either you can help send the bomber here and save your own life, or you can stay in the other room safe in the knowledge that the president and the bomber will stay in this room, away from you. We are proposing you a solution where you are in control of your own destiny, blue are proposing you a solution where you're completely at their mercy.

[Gazglum]

We are proposing you a solution where you are in control of your own destiny, blue are proposing you a solution where you're completely at their mercy.

But why would we screw him over? Our plan will give us the choice of which room to end in, so why would we choose to spite the Greys for no reason? I think Pindicator is playing well and deserves to share the win.

I doubt I'll be on again until deadline. Bigger, are you the current leader candidate? Either way, make sure you submit a transfer request.

[Azza]

We are proposing you a solution where you are in control of your own destiny, blue are proposing you a solution where you're completely at their mercy.

But why would we screw him over? Our plan will give us the choice of which room to end in, so why would we choose to spite the Greys for no reason? I think Pindicator is playing well and deserves to share the win.

I doubt I'll be on again until deadline. Bigger, are you the current leader candidate? Either way, make sure you submit a transfer request.

Why would you screw him over? Well, one reason might be to make the blue team the only winners. Also, he'll be vulnerable to the whims of what would likely end up as a red dominated barracks.

Blue can decide to ruin pindicator without affecting their win chances. Red would have to deliberately lose to ruin pindicator. It's in his self interest to side with red.

[Tasunke]

are we though?

I thought I addressed situtations in which they send the bomber over here. I guess if we assume they will send bomber + blue we can just send two reds to try and trap them but ... I dunno, sending 2 blues just seems to be the better move somehow

even IF they send the bomber ... if we get to trap the bomber in teh control room that's just gravy.

[Tasunke]

to clarify I think our only real options are to send 2 blues and hope we can get power over there OR to send 2 reds and to stay over here. As I've stated earlier it would likely be in Pindicator's interest if we sent the 2 blues over there ... but ultimately the bomber location will be very WIFOM (unless we can control it)

1 blue/ 1 red is likely too risky .... and we have a decent plan for 2 blues (Gazglum + Scooter) so that'd be fine, while the only other option 'imho' is to send 2 reds .... cause if they send bomber + red, then us sending 1 blue/ 1 red (not president) will give reds control of a room that has Prez and Bomber.

So regardless of who they send, it is best for us to send either 2 reds or 2 blues. I'd argue 2 blues so as to best coordinate with Pindicator.

[Mattimeo]

Wait. Another idea. Send two blues: maybe me + Gazglum.

Assuming they send two blues into here, that sets up a scenario where Control room looks like this:

4 blues (including prez)
4 reds (including bomber)
1 gray (Rowain)

Given claims at the start of the day were to the effect of "well, president and bomber are in different rooms", I believe this implies either scooter or Gazglum as the Blue President.

Qgqqqqq - I'd probably advise against revealing with scooter, to be honest. People appear to be labouring under assumptions, and conclusively proving them either way seems a poor idea. Perhaps (assuming the above information from scooter is accurate) it might be worth to trade confirmations, but I am not sure the exchange will actually be even...

I may possibly be around at deadline, but do not have a garuntee of this, and so:
vote Qgqqqqq

[Mattimeo]

Also: I am dissapointed that people are planning on not continuing the practice of always swapping me (and Bigger as well, I suppose) between rooms.

[scooter]

Red definitely controls the other room. Assuming otherwise is crazy IMO. However sending the bomber into a room they cannot assume they will control is also crazy.

[scooter]

Scooter, try to look at it from my point of view.  I understand blue wants to go with the way that gives them a coin-flip at worst, but I'm trying to look at what my situation will be like on days 4 & 5 here and how I can survive.  I'm not saying we're at odds -- just look at how yesterday played out -- but.. Just think it through from my POV like that, and maybe what I'm saying will make more sense.

From your POV - your only real concern is that the bomber remains in the control room. So let's break it down turn-by-turn assuming you send 2 blues, and look at the only two cases that endanger your chances at winning.

1) Is the bomber coming this turn (end of round 3)?
-The only way this happens is if red is confident they will control this room in round 4, otherwise blues can do whatever they'd like
-In this case, they can't count on your vote in here, because if the bomb makes it into here, you'll do whatever you can to get it out.
-So it's highly unlikely they do that now. It's more important to not lose control of the bomber with 2 rounds to go
2) If the bomber is not coming this turn, will he come in rounds 4 or 5?
-Blue will control that room, as I said. It's possible blue will hold a majority, but at worst, you have a 4-4-1 setup. Rowain only cares about the president being out of there, but the reds will not want the two split up. They also can't send them both at once (sending only 1/turn the next couple turns).
-Therefore, Rowain WILL side with the blues if they agree the president should be the one to go. That also happens to be a scenario which results in you winning.

Assuming you go along with this, here's what we'll do on rounds 4 and 5
Round 4: Send a random inconsequential red
Round 5: Send the president

I think this pretty clearly is your best chance at winning, because it's highly unlikely the bomber will ever leave the control room.

[Bigger]

Scooter, try to look at it from my point of view.  I understand blue wants to go with the way that gives them a coin-flip at worst, but I'm trying to look at what my situation will be like on days 4 & 5 here and how I can survive.  I'm not saying we're at odds -- just look at how yesterday played out -- but.. Just think it through from my POV like that, and maybe what I'm saying will make more sense.

From your POV - your only real concern is that the bomber remains in the control room. So let's break it down turn-by-turn assuming you send 2 blues, and look at the only two cases that endanger your chances at winning.

1) Is the bomber coming this turn (end of round 3)?
-The only way this happens is if red is confident they will control this room in round 4, otherwise blues can do whatever they'd like
-In this case, they can't count on your vote in here, because if the bomb makes it into here, you'll do whatever you can to get it out.
-So it's highly unlikely they do that now. It's more important to not lose control of the bomber with 2 rounds to go
2) If the bomber is not coming this turn, will he come in rounds 4 or 5?
-Blue will control that room, as I said. It's possible blue will hold a majority, but at worst, you have a 4-4-1 setup. Rowain only cares about the president being out of there, but the reds will not want the two split up. They also can't send them both at once (sending only 1/turn the next couple turns).
-Therefore, Rowain WILL side with the blues if they agree the president should be the one to go. That also happens to be a scenario which results in you winning.

Assuming you go along with this, here's what we'll do on rounds 4 and 5
Round 4: Send a random inconsequential red
Round 5: Send the president

I think this pretty clearly is your best chance at winning, because it's highly unlikely the bomber will ever leave the control room.

yes this is what has won me over (and tasunke too).. I think two blues edges out 2 reds.

if we send 2 blues, control room can:
1) send us back 2 blues. this is fine, 4-4-1 split but rowain has to side with blue to get rid of president. both greys and blues win!!
2) send us anything else that doesnt include bomber (1B,1R, 2red, anything involving rowain) - blue will control the room handily. we'll control the barracks, bomber and president, we'll maintain control and send the president back here last day. blues and greys win -
3) send 2 reds including bomber (less likely, as scooter outlined above). well its WIFOM for all parties. reds and blues will have conflips, pin you have two rounds to convince them to send bomber away
3a) bomber and non red - same, but you're more likely to be able to control room.

OTOH, if we send two different colors (whether 1b1r, or we send you) then you're far more likely to end up in situation 3 or 3A. as are reds and blues.

Pin, I think anything that means one side controls the game benefits you, as the only way you and rowain lose is if it ends up with random guesses on rounds when we can only send one player. there's no way right now to set it up so red controls the game, so you should align with us.