May 12th, 2013, 19:54
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The single worst problem in terms of game balance with having Great Spies running around all over the place is that there is really no counter to it (that I am aware of). To my knowledge they are immune to being caught in enemy territory and killed. Anything in the game that cannot be countered by some means available to opposing players is not balanced and I would say is a bad feature unworthy of use in a game where players are seeking fair play. Sure, every player could try to generate their own Great Spy to gain the same information, but that is not a counter to the unit itself. Against regular spies you can run a counter-espionage mission. I don't think that applies to Great Spies.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but failing me getting the mechanics wrong (no surprise!), I'd prefer no one has Speaker of the Iron Codpiece running around my empire with impunity. ![[Image: run.gif]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44346970/gifs/run.gif)
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GSpies are immune to capture.
I don't see how having a unkillable sentry is worth delaying a shrine and/or academy, or holding back a GA.
Particularly considering the opportunity cost of a GW build. (Other avenues for GS points are either too late or courthouses for 3GPP a turn).
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It would be more late game, post communism as that would be the first time a GS would probably be generated. It would still be rather unbalancing.
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Oxy, can we call that an official vote against GSpy exploration? That would decide the issue.
Also, position on Apostolic Palace?
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If enabling a strat suddenly makes a poor wonder (GWall) interesting, then that's a point in its favour, imo. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this issue. Thematically, banning it makes sense, and this is probably the wrong game to explore game balance issues for seldom explored territory.
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(May 12th, 2013, 22:30)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: It would be more late game, post communism as that would be the first time a GS would probably be generated. It would still be rather unbalancing.
the great wall generates G Spy points, and the courthouse unlocks the spy specialists (which the governor likes to hire whenever you have a specialist, if you aren't paying attention to it). so great spies can pop up long before communism
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Ok guys, it looks like my server move and new router setup (see RBP8, RBP9, RBP10, and RBDemogame threads...) has actually gone as planned (!). That means I should have time to get this hosted tomorrow...
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Awesome! Glad the Demon Murphy didn't wreak too much havoc.
Sorry about snarking in my thread about the time it was taking to get this game underway, I didn't realize your RL constraints until you started posting in tech threads today 
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Thanks for your work, Sunrise.
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(May 12th, 2013, 22:30)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: It would be more late game, post communism as that would be the first time a GS would probably be generated. It would still be rather unbalancing.
Post communism you have airships and bombers.
At that poiunt, nothing is secret.
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