WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[BRickAstley]

BRick, you said you were going to crusade for my lynch. Why haven't you?

The whole point of my first post is that in the last 2 games I played in, I ended up becoming highly paranoid of you and within the first day or two, ended up publishing a magnum opus where I've convinced myself and try to convince others that you're a wolf, even though both times we ended up being village. So that's why I made that joke post, I was joking at what seems to happen as of late when we play together.

I think Brick's second post is a little too cheerful considering his situation. It might be designed to deflect and defuse the attack, trying to laugh it off. He does nothing to challenge the people who are voting for him, despite some pretty flimsy reasons on our part. I can't really remember how he plays as town, though, to be honest. But in general, I'd expect a townie to react with slightly more indignation and suspicion.

Well, since a lot of those votes were from the initial starting post votes, I didn't really see any reason to combat them. Everyone throws around these silly starting votes and posts, why should anyone get that bent out of shape about them?

I also think that part of it simply comes from the fact that ever since my first game, I've had this curse where no matter what I say, everyone always seems to find it scummy somehow, and I attract a decently significant bandwagon. Look back, at the Game of Thones game, or the Weird Roles game. I found it somewhat funny that I got a good few starting votes and more added on when I replied this time too, and it seems inevitable no matter what I say.

So there's no reason for me to overreact really. Am I mad that votes are piling on me? Well, of course I am. But just getting upset about it isn't going to help us out at all, it would just cause more drama and distract from a proper hunt on the wolves. So I'm going to just take the lumps for now, since it's still early in the day, and concentrate on proper wolf hunting. Unfortunately,m I haven't seen much of anything big to really hunt after and dig into, but I'm definitely looking, and hopefully once I find something you will be persuaded by that instead of just doing this same-ole same-ole early attack on me.

[Lewwyn]

Brick's forced nonchalance screams wolf. In particular if you go back and look at the post that made me vote for him, it feels VERY put together and very specific, but at the same time is trying very hard to do very little.

The tone of this next above post is very similar.

Brick is far and away my current top suspect.

[BRickAstley]

Okay that's it. So nonchalance screams wolf? Fucking fine then, I'll get all nice and fucking mad for you. I wa strying to stay calm cause the same shit happens every game. If I say "Yes", It's "Hey look, suspicious BRick!", if I say "No, It's "Hey look, suspicious BRick!". All That I've been trying to do is participate in this game and HOPEFULLY get to hunt some wolves instead of being burned at the stake because I opened my fucking mouth to say words. So now I"m obviously a wolf, cause since the same fucking thing is happening for the third time in the last three big games that I've played in, I decided I was going to keep cool, stick to being sensical, and wait and look for when I could actually contribute instead of getting worked up like normal and contributing to the worthless drama. But no, my desire to step back and look at things objectively, and to not get worked up over votes for me, is OBVIOUSLY a wolf ploy, even though if I was, it would apparently mean throwing my life away day 1, for what exactly? I'm not really sure.

And speaking of the whole trying to look at people things, let's take a look at Lewwyn's posts.

Long day for me today.

People that jump out to me are Zak and Azza. Zak makes a ranking of voters, and something about patterns and I'm just too tired to figure out whatever bullshit it is.

Azza claims miller than votes for self. If you are a villager then claiming is good, but then you vote for yourself which is anti-town. Makes more sense as scum to try to create more confusion by claiming it and then voting for self. In any case, I think Azza's play is anti town. So Azza.

"Hmm, people look kinda bad I think"

Okay I see the setup thingy now. I'm so tired I just sort of glossed over the rules. That and Qg's style of posting sentence after sentence on separate lines means I just don't read anything he posts.

DO YOU HEAR ME QG!? I WON"T FUCKING READ IT!

Anyway voting for yourself is dumb and anti-town. When Rowain does it, I usually lynch him(I remember losing because I helped him lynch himself as town), though I can't remember if I've argued not to lynch him more recently because I know he's prone to suicide as a townie.

"Oh hey, I was wrong with some of the bad looking thing, tro-lo-lo. And yeah, joke posts at the very start are incredibly bad booo"

(Side Note: people, take a fucking chill pill over starting joke posts. THey're made in jest, and the amount of weight people try to put on them is just stupid)

@Azza Is it not abit early to move your vote?

Read: Is your scum scheme backfiring too quickly?

"Yup, Azza self-voted, clear scum trololo"

If the reason for azzas post and self vote is to get people talking then is dumb cos we are just talking about that topic not others who may be WW.

Agree with this.

"Let's take this even MORE seriously and detract from scum hunting"

Brickastley

Brick's forced nonchalance screams wolf. In particular if you go back and look at the post that made me vote for him, it feels VERY put together and very specific, but at the same time is trying very hard to do very little.

The tone of this next above post is very similar.

Brick is far and away my current top suspect.

"Okay, I've drained an Azza idea enough that I can't fill up space posting on it any more right now. So let's move to the other attack of opportunity! Hey BRick, You're trying hard and not trying hard at the same time. Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum Boat!"

Cmon Lewwyn, seriously? At least you could try and participate and scum hunt instead of just trololo'ing your way on the main lynch candidates and looking involved without doing much on your own. Hey, that kinda sounds like the whole Bricks at glass houses thing you people were accusing me of earlier! What a crazy random happenstance.

Lewwyn

[BRickAstley]

it feels VERY put together and very specific, but at the same time is trying very hard to do very little.

This line in particular keeps striking at me. Isn't it good for village to, you know, analyze a situation, and put together specific thoughts on somebody, in order to be clear and try to offer logic on potential wolves? I'm having a really hard time seeing what I would even supposedly be doing wrong there.

And trying hard to do little? Well, I offered analysis on the entirety of Azza's posted so far, and offered criticism on what needed it, and talked about some of the other points people brought that I thought weren't valid and why they weren't so. So.... what's the "very little" there? Would you rather me have put together esoteric theories on facts that aren't there to draw on? That isn't very helpful either.

[Gazglum]

Don't be so downhearted Brick. And as I recall, you didn't get heat in our first game together - it was the Flug_Auto and Ichabod show all the way to night one there.

I agree that the best thing to do when under pressure is to build cases on other suspects, but I don't think you're going to get much traction on Lewwyn. His posts, as summarised, seem pretty townish to me. If you try and turn this into a Brick vs Lewwyn dogfight, I think you'll lose, because at the moment his case on you (while not great) is a lot better than your case on him.

Also, Brick, there is a touch of hypocrisy in this defence:

it feels VERY put together and very specific, but at the same time is trying very hard to do very little.

This line in particular keeps striking at me. Isn't it good for village to, you know, analyze a situation, and put together specific thoughts on somebody, in order to be clear and try to offer logic on potential wolves? I'm having a really hard time seeing what I would even supposedly be doing wrong there.

Compare to:

Serdoa is barking up the wrong tree, but I like that he's openly pushing for lynches.

Lewwyn's logic is similar to what I'd normally use, so he's fine there.

Mattimeo is just doing his standard meta stuff, nothing to see there.


Zak posts a list straight up of suspects. Then keeps his vote on the vote leader, Brick, working on the assumption that I'm going to attract lynch attention for my play (a reasonable assumption). I thought I saw something more suspicious in his other posts, but upon re-reading I can't find anything like that. Well that takes the wind out of my sails a bit.

I think I'll vote Rowain for pushing the Brick wagon that's soft as butter.

Now, I don't really like the previous reason for people voting Azza, while that "miller claim" does have an element as some people say of drawing a lot of discussion away from WW hunting, it was a starting day 1 comment and while there is data to be found and hunted on for day 1, since the vast majority of people come in here and just post whatever strikes their fancy for the first page or two of posts, I don't think it should really be taken that seriously.

However, his response post made me feel squirmy. It sounds to me just like "Oh, hey, look, I'm involved by commenting a little bit on everything." AND not really any comment on his previous post either. It;s nothing completely damning, but it does feel like an attempt to just put enough forward to look visible without really construction much of something. I'll put my vote on Azza for now, but keep my eyes open as the day goes on.

Wasn't Azza just doing exactly what you said a town player should do? Put together specific thoughts on somebody?

Brick, for the moment, because he's obviously a better target than Novice. I haven't really looked at the Ichabod/SLowcheetah discussion in depth yet.

[BRickAstley]

I'm not trying to turn it into a dogfight. I was looking at Lewwyns posts, and finally thought that I saw somebody who was trying to lay low as scum with some bare minimum posting.

That is a good second point you have there, but I don't think those are completely correlative. What struck me with Azza's post was that they were just soundbites, a little blurb on multiple people, same with the vote. That's part of why I'm feeling this sense of indignation, because I've been trying to hunt and only accuse when I feel like I've found sufficient grounds, in order to cut back on the drama and the chaff and bring forth good hunts, but I've gotten more flack for it. So the reason I had issue with Azza's is it felt like more of a thrown together in 5 minutes blurbs to show activity, then actual hunting.

I think it also just depends on what you consider good town, and how heavily you have issues with lurkers. I personally value larger contributions over short blurbs, if having to pick between ones that are correct obviously.

[Lewwyn]

Lol Brick?

I was looking at Lewwyns posts, and finally thought that I saw somebody who was trying to lay low as scum with some bare minimum posting.

Seriously? You "finally" thought? That finally seems really over exaggerated. This is EXACTLY what i mean when I say you're being very specific and careful. You're trying ti make it look like you've been looking around really hard.

Also, I was doing bare minimum posting? I came home from work I started posting and I was actively involved in discussion with people until I went to bed just as you posted your last post.

You criticized me and got "angry" with me, but its pretty obviously faked.

You were trying very hard to appear like you're not trying to hard. Now you are trying hard to appear like you are trying hard. And before you say I'm making that up look back to that "finally" I pointed out at the top of this post. It's a perfect example.

[Gazglum]

I'm not trying to turn it into a dogfight. I was looking at Lewwyns posts, and finally thought that I saw somebody who was trying to lay low as scum with some bare minimum posting.

Jkaen, Mattimeo, me, Novice and of course the ever absent Tasunke have all posted less.

[BRickAstley]

Seriously? You "finally" thought? That finally seems really over exaggerated. This is EXACTLY what i mean when I say you're being very specific and careful. You're trying ti make it look like you've been looking around really hard.

You know what? Maybe the finally isn't the best word. I know someimes I try and talk and words just explode out not exactly like I meant them. What I meant was that when I re read your posts after that, I had a lightbulb go off and felt like I had finally seen a good enough tell on somebody to bring it to the forefront. And I HAVE been looking. A whole lot more than it looks like you have.

Also, I was doing bare minimum posting? I came home from work I started posting and I was actively involved in discussion with people until I went to bed just as you posted your last post.

But all of your discussion points were just egging on currently going cases, without offering additional justification, not to mention those that you were going off of weren't very well thought out.

You criticized me and got "angry" with me, but its pretty obviously faked.

Faked..... I'm trying really hard not to get worked up over this. I'm tired of the same fucking thing happening to me for three games in a row now. I want to contribute and help out instead of sitting by the wayside, but everytime I try, I'm apparently, in everyone else's eyes, just scum diddling around. Wouldn't you be a little angry if the only way you wouldn't be tarred and feathered as a villager trying to help would be to shut up?

You were trying very hard to appear like you're not trying to hard. Now you are trying hard to appear like you are trying hard. And before you say I'm making that up look back to that "finally" I pointed out at the top of this post. It's a perfect example.

The only thing I'm trying hard to do is to try and find wolves, and by extension stay alive long enough to successfully do that. I'm not trying hard to appeal to any ideal, and if so, wouldn't this have been the most bumbling attempt at doing so?

[BRickAstley]

I'm not trying to turn it into a dogfight. I was looking at Lewwyns posts, and finally thought that I saw somebody who was trying to lay low as scum with some bare minimum posting.

Jkaen, Mattimeo, me, Novice and of course the ever absent Tasunke have all posted less.

I'm not looking at total number of posts, not turning this into a lynch the lowest post count game. By bare minimum posting, I meant someone whose content generated didn't match up with the frequency of posting, in a way that looked like coasting. Since he's had a decently high post count, and knowing how good Lewwyn can be as a player, I would have expected more from when he did post then I see currently.