WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[Jkaen]

The fact you hit the SK is not relevant to me in this as I dont recall you saying you were voting him because of that.

I was voting for him because I thought he could be scum. And he was. Why would I declare that I thought he was a SK? There may be some differences between playing as SK and playing as mafia, but that doesn't mean you can't catch them by the same methods. Particularly when the method is to eliminate likely villagers and see who is left.

Not sure I agree here, scum are not really trying to scum hunt, SK's are. Scum give off tells as they know the names of the other scum, and generally know who are innocent, SKs dont

Also I gave Azza scum tells for an early day 1 post 'to get people talking' that didnt get them looking for scum, while you with your alphabetical list did something similar and escaped comment.

So are you saying my alphabetical list is a scum tell? You're kind of beating around the bush here. Do you still think Azza's miller claim and self-vote is a scum tell?
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Yes I still think its a scum tell, However there are more scum tells than scum, so you review who is giving off the most or strongest ones, and right now I would say that is you. I dont see how I am beating around the bush btw.

Also oddly the fact that it was only you that got behind my suspicions on Rowain at all rings a bit of a warning bell for me, especially as super persuasive zak got behind them in such a way that nobody else was persuaded to follow.

This seems to imply that Rowain is scum, if anything. Or are you saying I used my powers of persuasion to "kill" the case on him? If so, how?
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If you really believed in the case I would have expected a bit more lobying and persuasiveness to draw more people to the lynch which didnt happen. Hence it wasn't that you killed the case, it was already dead as nobody else really bought into it, its more that you didnt add any life to it, which you would have been capable of doing, just slightly buddied up to me, and if rowain is a fellow scum, tried to gain village points for having voted him

[Jkaen]

Also I have a feel that, as I believe was mentioned by you, that we have a superwolf group here.

Potential members for that group seem to be dropping fast now

[Azza]

How were the roles in this game distributed?

[Azza]

How were the roles in this game distributed?

That doesn't sound right.

What set up are we using? Do we have enough knowledge from that to narrow down what roles may be left and how many scum we're hunting?

[Jkaen]

How were the roles in this game distributed?

That doesn't sound right.

What set up are we using? Do we have enough knowledge from that to narrow down what roles may be left and how many scum we're hunting?

What set up?

You are joking right?

Its rule 18, and we have had tons of discussions about this. Set up is here

[Jkaen]

Oh the 7 rolls of the dice we know:

odd number of vanilla (needed to get a SK)
odd number of C (needed to get Novice's role)
Not 1 (and only 1) M (Mod confirms that start of day 1)

Probably:
1+ doctor and/or roleblocker (scum or village) (to explain only 1 kill night 1)

[zakalwe]

Not sure I agree here, scum are not really trying to scum hunt, SK's are. Scum give off tells as they know the names of the other scum, and generally know who are innocent, SKs dont

SKs still have something to hide, and they know that if they get lynched, they automatically lose, which isn't the case for villagers. Surely you don't think a SK is indistinguishable from a townie? But more importantly, if you examine my play you should find that arriving at a Serdoa lynch through a process of elimination makes sense based on what I have said and done. So maybe it was just a lucky fluke, but it was not a deliberate attempt to lynch a townie.

I dont see how I am beating around the bush btw.

You were just being very indirect in your phrasing, dragging Azza into it for no good reason, as if you somehow wanted to convey the message that "if Azza isn't scum, then surely Zak must be". But never mind that, it's not something I will hold against you.

If you really believed in the case I would have expected a bit more lobying and persuasiveness to draw more people to the lynch which didnt happen. Hence it wasn't that you killed the case, it was already dead as nobody else really bought into it, its more that you didnt add any life to it, which you would have been capable of doing, just slightly buddied up to me, and if rowain is a fellow scum, tried to gain village points for having voted him

Well, if I only wanted to get him lynched, I could have kept pushing. But since I was just trying to figure out if he was scum or not, I didn't. So maybe you are on to something with the "if you really believed in the case" part? I have to vote for someone, and for me, yesterday was really all about waiting for Brick to show up and trying to do something useful in the meantime. I mean, you need to apply some pressure so you shouldn't undermine your own case in the same breath that you're making it, but that doesn't mean you should make a mountain out of every molehill, and that every vote should be a full-on crusade.

Your theory doesn't make much sense, even as a superwolf theory. If I am scum, I could have blended in much better towards the end of the day. There must have been a literal smorgasbord of mislynches available, given how widely spread the votes were. Doubly so if I am scum with Rowain, which you are basing much of your case on. In that case, we both had pretty excellent cover and it would be downright foolish play.

[zakalwe]

odd number of vanilla (needed to get a SK)

Just to nitpick, it's an odd number of Ts. That doesn't necessarily translate into an odd number of vanilla townies.

[Jkaen]

Not really no.

If you are scum, then there needs to be a good reason in a day or two why you are not dead. Hence you have to get into the position where there is just enough suspicion that you can argue the scum are waiting for you to hang, and not enough suspicion that you do actually hang.

Oh and be careful about lumping you and rowain together, my case certainly works if both of you are scum, but if rowain is village I think it still holds on you. This is mainly due tot he order to the serdoa votes. Rowain as village throwing out a quick idea of serdoa, then if no reall comment returning to where his vote 'meant something' I think is feasible.

The fact you happened to latch onto his vote rather than say somebody offering up Lewwyn or Ichabod for a mislynch then wouldn't be his fault as village rowain.

Note in all of this azza's vote was self defense and following you two hence I think he gets no scum or village credit for the move, it was the only sane thing

[Jkaen]

odd number of vanilla (needed to get a SK)

Just to nitpick, it's an odd number of Ts. That doesn't necessarily translate into an odd number of vanilla townies.

Just to nitpick back:

Of the 7 rolls of the dice we know:

odd number of vanilla (needed to get a SK)