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Ugh. I don't have any particularly good reads that haven't been stated at this point. zak and gazglum feel alot like villagers trying really hard that have been butting heads. The setup argumentation, while definitely a distraction, doesn't appear to have been started or continued out of any visible desire for ill will, and doesn't look to be seriously taken into the final hours of the lynch. Rowain has kinda disappeared, and his posts don't seem to be too particularly helpful... Slowcheetah's posts have an air of saying things without really SAYING anything... And Azza still seems scummy due to some of my previous reasoning... Of course, Rowain and Azza are currently still on each other, so ti seems unlikely that both of them would be scum...
I feel a desire to try and see what people think of slowcheetah since this is the second day in a row that he's parked his vote on me and left. 
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(May 30th, 2013, 20:21)Gazglum Wrote: Is Waterbat's scraper supposed to just show number of posts, or is there some way to get a page showing all someone's posts? If I click on somebody's name, it 404 Errors on me.
THat happened to me and then fixed itself, idk how to do so.
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Actually, now that I look back through people's posts via the scraper, Lewwyn parked his vote on Zak for some WIFOM due to Ichabod being the one killed, then only responded to a few personal questions and did his daily OMG BRICK U SUK, even after the issue of Zak in regards to the last minute lynch and night kill had been talked through and shouldn't be as applicable.... what do others think of Lewwyn right now?
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(May 30th, 2013, 21:37)BRickAstley Wrote: Actually, now that I look back through people's posts via the scraper, Lewwyn parked his vote on Zak for some WIFOM due to Ichabod being the one killed, then only responded to a few personal questions and did his daily OMG BRICK U SUK, even after the issue of Zak in regards to the last minute lynch and night kill had been talked through and shouldn't be as applicable.... what do others think of Lewwyn right now?
I'm giving him time to chime in today, as we did with you Day 2. He's pretty neutral for me now. I agree with a lot of what he's said in the past this game. I wouldn't say I'm certain of his townishness atm (slightly less so than before), but it would take a pretty major error on his part for me to vote for him today over one of my other suspects.
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I'm still here, but I don't really know what else to say at this point. I'm so tired and overworked right now that I don't have any energy to be eloquent.
Jkaen is the only person that looks innocent to me at this point.
I think slowcheetah's attack on Gazglum is actually pretty good and convincing, particularly when he illustrates that Gaz. But Zak is voting for Gazglum. I do not think both are scum. I think one of them is.
More than Zak's vote though is Gazglum's vote on Mattimeo. I just don't see it. And I don't think villager Gazglum would see it that way either.
Fine. Gazglum.
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AS I sit here rereading more of Gaz's posts, I realize the biggest reason I'm voting for him is that his tone is affected and he sounds fake. Gaz is role playing a character and that character is a villager.
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Also Zak's comments on WW17 is eerie becaus ethats the one I was referring to when I talked about Brick being innocent even though I suspected him. In that game Brick was innocent and I vigged him. Then I suspected Zak and he was innocent too. Zak from this game is acting a lot like Zak from that game. He was very into the policy lynching argument then and did so here as well.
Jkaen I think we should reevaluate Zak, IE: not push to lynch him today.
Instead we should look at lynching Gazglum and Slowcheetah. Azza is also on my radar.
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Ok, well you're wrong Lewwyn, though there's not much I can do to prove my tone is innocent or not.
Slowcheetah didn't really make an attack on me, as far as I know. Do you mean Zak's attack, that Slow quoted?
I really don't quite get why so many people have town-reads on Mattimeo. Yes, he's in character, but he's also not contributing much beyond meta, and I feel like he was avoiding responding to my questions. But I will bear in mind that you and others think I'm barking up the wrong tree. I would still like another response from him.
But for now I will re-read Brick and Azza. One outcome of the surprising Serdoa lynch is that the next night and much today has been all about that. It's provided a distraction from looking at the previous day's cases. The meta-discussion was another distraction. Whoever the other scum are, if Brick or Azza is a wolf, it was in their buddies' interest to pull attention away today while they lay low.
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Discussion about Azza since the end of Day 2:
slowcheetah brings up the fact that Azza is backing me as town as a scum-read on Azza, as there wasn't enough info on me to have a read. Incidentally, that quote came from when Azza was using that exact same logic to defend himself from an accusation that he was only listing very safe reads.
Arguments back and forth about whether it's reasonable to have a town tell on me.
BRick posts his do-nothing reply to Azza's similarly wall of quotes before the Day 2 deadline.
Azza contributes to discussion about zak/Rowain and the "bussing the SK" theories.
Then comes the farcical "yeah, I didn't actually know what the role set-up was at all." I'm not really sure what to make of this, to be honest. Stating that the clarification of reasoning behind the initial miller joke was because he thought people would get that it was a joke, now this claim that he didn't know what the actual set-up was, with the implication that he didn't actually know the status of a miller inclusion to the game.
On one hand, Azza making jokes that you more than half take seriously when bored fits with what I know of him - and vanilla town is generally the most boring role you can get. On the other, "lynch all liars" (and he *did* lie about people being expected to realise it was a joke) is always a solid game-plan.
So really, the only actually new information on the table in the Azza discussion is what conclusion you draw from the "I have no idea what's even going on" claim. And while that probably brings up to a point where I'd likely vote him against anyone except Jkaen and BRick in a run-off, it's not enough for me to put my vote on him now.
I will be around near lynch. Though if I believe it's clear-cut I'll probably head out to a mate's party before any "hey, there's half an hour left, let's lynch someone random" shenanigans take place.
(May 30th, 2013, 17:05)Gazglum Wrote: Finally, I take offense at "it takes up space, making Gazglum look active,". I've spent hours and hours on this game, and posted way more than half the people here. Compare what I've written today to Lewwyn or Brick. I don't think I need to be straining to look more active. I actually partially agree with zak. Not that you're trying to look more active, but a good part of that activity appears to involve taking up space with mostly junk, or attempts to get other people to respond with junk. The few cogent points you make (the majority of which are restricted to defensive posts) are drowned out by questions people have already answered and questions there is really no need to answer unless the desire is to create more noise.
Randomly:
Scum have a decent chance to have a roleblocker (TTT is most likely, T also has one). If we *are* going to run with the "scum bussed the SK", perhaps the single kill night 1 was due to the roleblocker visiting Serdoa.
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Lewwyn, I agree that Brick's defence Day 2 was good. But before you lose sight of him entirely, I want to raise a point about his posts since.
Day 2 most of hsi attack on Azza was about Azza's attack on me. Ie: Brick was defending me. I still thought it was a good case, but it was also probably the case that was going to make me feel warmest towards Brick, after voting for him Day 1.
Day 3, he's held back from voting most of the day, while you call him out as possible scum again. Now he's put his vote on Slowcheetah (had he raised questions of slow before?), who has been a secondary target for you all game. Again, it's a way of gaining support from someone who has been on his tail. And now you're ignoring Brick again, and putting slowcheetah on your lynch list.
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