La Plaisanterie, C'est Moi - Ichabod's Spoiler Thread

[novice]

*crickets*

Good point. Still, I think you should sim planting your second city 1W of the sheep.

[Ichabod]

You mean the one where the settler currently being built will go? I agree about needing to go west soon, but I really like the second city where it is, on the jungle. I'll try to sim a bit, though, since the worker just finished the farm and if we want to go west, we should do it soon.

The third city I was planning was near the horses. The one you highligted would be the 4th one, with a settler built by the second city. Could easily send him west, though, and I think it's a better option.

I thought the same thing about Moai. That place is awesome!

I'm happy with all the happy we found. Forges will add 2 happy with these resources, which is pretty nice. What do you think of an Oracle play, Novice? Forges and Colossus (on the Moai city, perhaps) can be pretty nice. I don't think Thoth will go for Stonehenge + Oracle, so I think we have a chance if marble and stone are as scarce for the others as they are for us.

Sorry for sucking at the reports. I thought I had a micro plan set for the next 10 or so turns, so I slacked a bit in favor of the Civ 5 PBEM.

[novice]

You mean the one where the settler currently being built will go? I agree about needing to go west soon, but I really like the second city where it is, on the jungle. I'll try to sim a bit, though, since the worker just finished the farm and if we want to go west, we should do it soon.

Yes, I mean the settler currently being built. I don't know what your next worker action is, completing the road 1E of your capital? You need to decide after that, I would think.

The third city I was planning was near the horses.

Ah okay. You can settle the city 1W of sheep to grab cows, sheep, plains cow, or 1SW of the sheep to grab cows, sheep and horses. You can even settle 1W of that again for a plains hill plant. The horse tile isn't much worse than the plains cow so you may be better off settling for the horses just to not have to worry about strategic resources. Copper might well be in that foodless river valley to your northwest.

My thinking about settling west immediately is to expand towards the gems sooner, but also the western city actually grabs more new resources than the eastern city. So if settling west is somewhat competitive in terms of snowball effect you should consider it.

What do you think of an Oracle play, Novice? Forges and Colossus (on the Moai city, perhaps) can be pretty nice.

Yes, I had the same thought. The map definitely calls out for an oracled Metal Casting.

[Ichabod]

I'll try simming going for Priesthood after Pottery. No need for writing with no OB possible and no plans to get a library.

A city 1W of the sheep would be perfect to get the Oracle. It has 7 natural production with the three resources + 4 forests and hills. The city near the horses could also do it, albeit it has less forests. Another disadvantage of the horse city is no automatic TRs, since it isn't on the river.

Another "advantage" of the city to the west is that it takes 1 more turn to settle, so I think I can revolt to slavery while the settler is on the move. With the city to the east, I had to do it while the settler was moving to the third city. This way, I can whip the settler for the third city, making it even faster. And we'll see copper before having to decide where to settle (if we go west, that is).

I'll test some openings with the western settler. Though I think at least third city has to be the eastern one. It's very close to the capital and has 2 food resources, it's too good to pass it.

[Ichabod]

I found Thoth scout while moving south. He found us some turns ago, but his scout was nowhere to be seen. Now we know that he's south of us.




I finished the road 1E of the WarlockStalkers (I took a picture, but it failed) this turn. Like Novice pointed out, it's the move we want for a city E or W. We can reach the sheep (Western city) on the same turn, with or without this road, so better to do it with. I'll sim things tonight, to see the big picture of both options. Luckily, next worker movements are obvious, so I won't fail too much in my next turns and I'll have time to perfect the micro plan if I choose to go west.

[Ichabod]

I've tried a rough plan settling to the West and I think it's better than settling East (I tested with the city on the plains hill near the grass cows). We get to slavery sooner and we crash our economy sooner too . Yeah, the expansion is faster, between the plains hill settle and the 3 special resources to the east 2. The plan is still pretty rough, but it already gets cities developed faster and has one settler advantage. I'll play with the options some more before playing my turn tomorrow.

I still settled the third city to the east, using a settler from the 2nd city to settle the Moai site. The fifth city needs some discussion, since I don't think I'll have the workers + defense to settle towards to gold. Maybe to the southeast. Maybe a city 1E of the Crabs. It gets the gold and is more defensive than the site Novice proposed (it also uses the unused plains cow north of the second city).

By the way, thanks for all the help, Novice. Everything you said so far was a big improvement over my initial plans.

[Shoot the Moon]

God, that moai site has a ridiculous food surplus with a lighthouse.

[Ichabod]

God, that moai site has a ridiculous food surplus with a lighthouse.

Imagine that with Colossus too! It'll be a joy to behold (hopefully).

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I played turn 21 making plans to go West. It seemed, by my sandbox tests, that it's competitive/faster in terms of snowball and it gets more defenses too (more warriors - I plan to use one of them to pillage things, in order to get a faster Priesthood). Besides, as Novice pointed out, it's on a direction that we want to expand first and more.

Scout movement revealed that settling a 5th city, with a Settler from WarlockStalkers, by the Sheep to the SE might be good. This way, we can settle a following city on the irrigated corn + cow spot down there. It could be the 5th city, but we'd have to be careful not to overextend.




Thoth is in Slavery. I guess that means he'll have a second city soon? I wonder how people got a faster settler than me... Chopping, perhaps? Or a plains hill start is that good?

[mackoti]

yep.

[novice]

By east you mean west, I presume.