The Dark arts - C&D Master Thread

[Sullla]

The Spanish are not having a very good month. According to CivStats, it looks like CivFr declared war on them too and sniped a city. The good news is that this means CFC will not get all of the Spanish territory, and it will be split between them and CivFr. We may also have more cause to work with CivFr, as they are unlikely to be on good terms with CFC once they start racing to carve up the remnants of the Spanish. The bad news is that the Spanish are going to die that much faster, and CivFr is only going to get stronger.

Hope we get a chance to log into the game today to see what's going on.

[novice]

The Spanish are not having a very good month. According to CivStats, it looks like CivFr declared war on them too and sniped a city. The good news is that this means CFC will not get all of the Spanish territory, and it will be split between them and CivFr. We may also have more cause to work with CivFr, as they are unlikely to be on good terms with CFC once they start racing to carve up the remnants of the Spanish. The bad news is that the Spanish are going to die that much faster, and CivFr is only going to get stronger.

Hope we get a chance to log into the game today to see what's going on.

On balance I think that's good news though, the Spanish were going down hard already.

[kjn]

Now we'll have to see how the game pace will go with a 3-way-war. Or as long as it stays 3-way.

But CivFr captured and razed the city of Chinook (second time in the game they took it - that city has changed hands four times in the game so far, sad to see such an awesome streak be lost). Not sure why they didn't keep it, though it's possible they want to settle it to the east of that mountain esdt of it.

[Zargon]

Definitely good news. It means that at the very least CivFr and CFC will have a militarized border, and best case they might actually start trading units.

I think game pace will be okay. The Spanish have been good about getting in early, doing what little they can, and finishing turn. Plus they'll be dead in a few turns anyways.

[antisocialmunky]

The Spanish are not having a very good month. According to CivStats, it looks like CivFr declared war on them too and sniped a city. The good news is that this means CFC will not get all of the Spanish territory, and it will be split between them and CivFr. We may also have more cause to work with CivFr, as they are unlikely to be on good terms with CFC once they start racing to carve up the remnants of the Spanish. The bad news is that the Spanish are going to die that much faster, and CivFr is only going to get stronger.

Hope we get a chance to log into the game today to see what's going on.

CFC probably offered CivFR part of ex-Spain as part of resolving the GM issue. That's my theory.

[kjn]

Ok, I looked over the C&D data, and the Germans had Feudalism on T152, so the dry 3-pop whip in Worms was for a longbowman.

The reason it got past me was that I missed to compensate for the score losses the Germans had during our half of the turn of T151.

[kjn]

The Spanish-CFC war, T153

Anyway, CFC managed to capture the Nobamba, which is the last core Spanish city except for their capital and their newest city of Nodwengu (north of their capital).

Here is the power development (in thousands), first from before the last turn was ended, then from after the Spanish ended their turn, and then after Nobamba was taken by CFC.

Team	T152	Post-Spanish	Post-Nobamba
Spanish	173	148	99
CFC	671	637	603

So CFC lost circa 34k in power to the Spanish counterattack, and the Spanish lost circa 25k. Given the knight-heavy army that CFC has, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost 3 knights. Then CFC lost at least 34k, probably 37k, taking Nobamba, while the Spanish lost 49k. So I think CFC losses are likely to include up to 6 knights this turn, but it can't hurt to ask the Spanish about what they know about CFC's army.

Given that the Spanish has 50k in power from tech, 3k from pop, and 3k from buildings their army must be pretty much shot now, down to 43k.

I also note that I believe CivFr razed Chinook without there being any units in it.

[kjn]

The Spanish are down to only their capital now. The good thing is that their next-to-last city was auto-razed and had no units in it, so all their units should be in their capital.

But that's about the only good thing. I think CFC might destroy the Spanish as early as next turn.

[MWIN]

Do we have any map of the spanish city that got razed by CivFr? I am thinking, they might have razed it to help CFC.....

[kjn]

It's Chinook, the former barb city that changed hands repeatedly around T115-T119. It's not marked on the map (since it was razed), but it was situated 5E 1S of Nobamba, 1W of the peak. Quite a nice spot, with rice, corn, and dyes.