The German War

[kjn]

Do we not want to keep Wismar?

Depends. It will likely alienate WPC if we keep the city, since they will view Wilhelmshaven as "their" city (no matter that they can't take it in any reasonable timeframe). I think I'd rather have the city 1SW or 2E, and set up as a production city, like Boldly notes.

A lot will depend on if the Germans have any units that can counterattack too.

[Ruff_Hi]

I have very limited time but I will try to be back pre 6pm and take a longer look. My question is do we rush to the capital (2-movers) or amble to the capital (1-movers). Do we known if / when their northern stack will be back in the capital? If we able, I would head towards the grassland hill (1SE of their capital) as our staging area. We can get trailing 2-movers there in 1 turn if we road Sullla's jungle tile.

[Merovech]

I don't think that we would really alienate WPC that much because they have to realize by now how little they can actually take.

[pindicator]

I don't think that we would really alienate WPC that much because they have to realize by now how little they can actually take.

That doesn't mean they won't transform their frustrations onto us. I think scooter is the best to tell, but i don't think we can dismiss the possibility

[MWIN]

We should let them know how many units we are killing and probably exaggerate little bit. We don’t want WPC feeling that they are the ones facing bulk of German defense forces (even if that is true)….

I don't think that we would really alienate WPC that much because they have to realize by now how little they can actually take.

That doesn't mean they won't transform their frustrations onto us. I think scooter is the best to tell, but i don't think we can dismiss the possibility

[scooter]

I'm having a hard time feeling TOO much sympathy for WPC because after this 4th turn of the war we'll have killed 4 cities and a dozen-ish units, and they'll have killed nothing whatsoever.

[scooter]

My question is do we rush to the capital (2-movers) or amble to the capital (1-movers).

We don't have nearly enough 2-movers for this IMO. We only have a few that are right there on the front, and they have several elephants. We'll lose all of our Knights, and we very probably won't even have enough to capture it that way, depending on what they whip.

[kjn]

We should let them know how many units we are killing and probably exaggerate little bit. We don’t want WPC feeling that they are the ones facing bulk of German defense forces (even if that is true)….

Agreed. I think Scooter should send over either mine or Sulla's (cropped) screenshot with the German unit dispositions to them, if nothing else so we can get the unit tally around Warendorf out of them.

[pindicator]

I don't feel sorry for them either.  What they have done on the battlefield speaks plenty as to their ability.  But I don't think we should assume they are going to be as rational about a failed war, especially if we carve out half (or more) of Germany.  They could very well rationalize to themselves that the only way we were able to make the gains we did was because they tied the army down up north.

We won't know until it happens, so it's all conjecture anyway.

[Sullla]

Let me try to answer these questions now so that we don't get tied up during the Livestream.

* The basic strategy for Worms is to sacrifice a couple of maces (hopefully no more than 2) to take out the defenders, and push forward the rest of the army. We seem to be in general agreement on this.

* Webringen is much too heavily defended to attack with two movers. We hoped that it might be, but the Germans wisely pulled units OUT of Worms to go defend the capital. It's not happening.

* Wismar is a bit of a pipe dream at the moment. We are looking at facing more than 30 units at Webringen if the Germans bring down their main army from the WPC front, and we can't be splitting off unit to go attack another city. Maybe in another 2-3 turns, when the main stack is next to the German capital, we can send off reinforcements in that direction, ones that wouldn't be able to make it to the big fight anyway. But right now, no, it's not the time to go off and make a play for Wismar.

Also we don't really care what WPC thinks about that city. If we can capture it, we will. WPC has no chance to take even a single city at this point. They are only useful as a distraction now.

* Pillaging tiles in neutral territory is a very, VERY, VERY low priority. This team is placing far too much emphasis on this one stupid CFC chariot. It's already moved this turn, and there's no guarantee they will even pillage again. Nor do we really care that much. If by some chance there's a unit in the area with nothing else to do that can't reach the front lines, we'll go ahead and pillage, but don't expect me to put any real emphasis on this.

Overall, don't get too ahead of ourselves. We'll take Worms this turn, Helm next turn, and we'll have a very large stack ready to attack the German capital on T156. We'll also put some pressure on Weil der Stadt starting T154-155 so that the Germans can't empty it completely to defend the capital. Aside from that, we wait and try to take advantage of their mistakes. Not much more can be done at this point.