WW25 - Game Thread

[novice]

Anyone else having trouble with the forum lagging?

Anyway, MJW because I find his reason for voting Brick very contrived. Makes it feel that either he's trying too hard to have a justification for the vote, or he has inside info on the sanity mechanics which is more likely to come from a wolf as they have multiple team members sharing info.

Zak, to clarify, are you voting for SC because you agree with Q?

How does this fit with Brick's claim then?

Uberfish because he believes Brick's sanity based claim but concludes that MJW is the wolf. Just seems incongruent.

[Qgqqqqq]

Slows post, spoiled for reference:

Lynch tells, nothing strikes me as obvious. Q feels curt and I'm a relatively easy mislynch, so good to go after. On the otherhand my first post was apparently pretty baity based on the reactions of most.

I know its a instant reaction to go after someone you feel attacking you, but I don't like this post. Firstly, I'm not really going after you as you claim, a simple post saying a reason I found you suspicious is nothing more then half the players have at this point. Therefore it seems to me that you're simply attacking people voting you at this point, which is an easy move to get away with because you can claim emotional reaction. In the process you are dismissing the vote by saying that you're easy to go after, while simultaneously excusing your suspicion against me by saying that it was a bait worthy post.
I'm not sure I've explained myself properly, but the summary is an attack without attacking, avoiding a confrontation while smearing my vote on you.

Because that strategy worked out incredibly well in my last game as a wolf.

I don't want to kill Brick entirely because I'm enjoying his posts. Zak and you are sparring, leaves me fairly convinced that my vote for you has less of a point than it did in the first place.

Fluff, dismissing his earlier vote (though I still find the timing suspect). Is he saying he has town read on zak/Rowain? I can't tell.

They're valuable because they are discussing (more than most, myself very much included). I don't have an alignment read on either of them

Azza hasn't really said much.

A very easy on azza, no real explanation and maintaining that there's no suspicion (so he has no responsibility). Azza never says much, but you really do seem to be trying to fly under the radar.

Wel if nobody is really ringing, surely the best option is ringing up one of the guys with low post counts. It's not like we are particularly late in day one yet.

Why is the best option to dump a vote on someone who isn't going to post because of it (azza)? And someone who isn't going to be lynched today, who you have no suspicions on?

It isn't the end of the day, or anywhere near it. We have plenty of time, I didn't have many leads. Seems like the ideal time to get lurkers to talk.

Slow doesn't say much in his other posts. Suffice to say, I think he's trying desperately to lurk and avoid confrontation.
slowcheetah

Or maybe he's been relatively busy today, and finds day one HARD to get any kind of solid read, or even an inkling. Hell I've played very few games without a cheatsheet. You guys are barking up the wrong tree, unfortunately for the village, I think that the correct move at this point is to vote for Jowy I'm not a fan of his deliberately sparse and obstructive posts.

Honestly, I don't think you reply to me at all here. First you dismiss my suspicion with a simple WIFOM - you don't bother to discuss the accusations, or even react to them. Second you focus on my dismissing your reactions to the other events as fluff, but simply say that their conversation is valuable, and that you have no reads. Then you ignore my accusation on the azza vote (though that may be a quoting error) and instead simply restate that it was a good time to pressure lurkers (which I had dealt with earlier when stating that azza is a compulsive lurker so what's the point).
Basically, I'm not seeing any real defence in this post, and my earlier problems with your play remain, and your recent posts aren't helping.
[cooler=red]slowcheetah[/color]

In non-slowcheetah news, I'm finding Jowy quite suspicious, but I just don't think that he's nearly so bad as slow is, and it seems the principle problem is his posting style which he seems perfectly willing to change.

[Qgqqqqq]

Oh and I understand fully problems with time/availability, and don't mean to impinge that.

As to your most recent post - I still don't buy the I'm a good target to muddy the waters with defence. Like I said, wolves attack those that seem suspicious, and I don't see any especial reason for them to go after you ahead of Jowy or MJW (as it stood then). I'm not saying there aren't any on you, just that your focus on those hitting you (and generally because they had attacked you) is suspect.
The "I read posts with my name in red more carefully" I do find entirely believable, its just that you've been counter attacking, rather then addressing the points raised.

And no, it wasn't the posted reasoning on Ichabod I found suspicious, just mentioning it was incidental that that was what you were posting at a time when you've just been attacked for it, you post a accusation that doesn't accuse. I suppose I'm just commenting that it seems part of the non commital behavior, as you're seeming to just defend and combat accusations (like that you were combating accusations ) then making a stand.
I understand that that's weak, which is why it was a sidenote to the point being made.

[Jowy]

I like Brick's clearer posting. Maybe because I can sightly understand it.

I'm still voting Jowy though. I think his style came under fire and he tried to change it but he changed it by trying to go weirder to play up the idea that he was playing a different style. Jowy claims this is a villager tactic, but I think its wolfy to take things to extremes that he is currently taking them by speaking in verse. Don't be fooled.

verse was accident
googled verse to know what means
style not change, bigger post because team make so many stupid mistake

@ Jowy

As others have said, you did silly Brick meta for a while. Then,

While this is all very interesting may I remind you that the task set before us is to find scum and not talk pages over pages about BRicks postrestriction.

Jowy what are your impressions so far? Whom do you want to lynch and why?

BRickAstley because fake

I really don’t see any evidence for Brick faking his post restriction. And it’s a pretty easy attack to make. You say he broke his own rules, but I don’t get which you mean. Mattimeo asked you to elaborate, and you didn’t. You changed the subject.

There's a very high chance MJW is a wolf. We should all vote for him.

MJW sorry

Ok, people respect Ichabod's opinions, and now he’s targeting MJW. SO you jump straight on behind him, without elaboration? Pretty safe move.

Then finally,

play every game same way, you become predictable.
being predictable is weakness.

different does not mean wolf
standing out does not mean wolf
drawing attention does not mean wolf
all opposite

wolf blends in
wolf plays carefully

you make wolf job easy
if you vote stupid
so stop voting stupid
i'm villager.
mjw probably villager.
brick keep alive, kill later if not speak


slowcheetah

SO, here we have ‘MJW is probably villager’, despite you voting for him a few hours before, and another jump to another player who is amassing votes. Seriosuly Jowy?

I agree with Brick. Jowy Jowy Jowy.

Though why Brick thinks he is the girl from the sound of music, I do not know.

i explain why brick fake, you skip my post?
i explain 2 time already what i think brick rule was and what he broke
why leave my posts out then accuse me of no explain?

say sorry to mjw because he probably villager
but rather him than me, because then at least a chance that wolf goes
mjw blamed at start when someone accuse me and him of wolves
im villager, so theory stupid

About Jowy, I would say that being weird on day one is pretty typical for a noob villager. Being quiet is more typical for a noob wolf. But please try to be less cryptic, Jowy. Just give us your honest thoughts, not that "remember this lesson" BS.

Joey isn't a noob. The only reason he hasn't been playing more games with us is he didn't realize that WW was forum mafia. He's played it elsewhere.

this my first game ever
if not count 2 room boom
and not lurked ever
but not stupid unlike most u atm
know what to look in wolf

thats second reason u pull out of air to vote for me
really, really suspicious lewwyn
why would villager bring non-facts as reasons?
villager wouldnt. a wolf would.

lewwyn also accuse me and mjw early
notice lots of lewwyn posts planting seed on these two lynch
"guy in lurk glad not in game with mjw" <- try to make mjw look bad with no reason
"something stupid happened" <- quoting mjw, stupid refers to wolf out himself discussion early, quoted sentence didnt reveal anything
then later more jowy seed planting

lewwyn not change suspect since very early
throw one vote brick earlier, but no serious
stay on one suspect (this case two) is wolf behavior because they know answers
we villagers dont know answers

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everyone too fixated on my post style
i got distracted by brick meta yes
and now u get distracted by my post style
you see how it can happen to anyone who no have bad intention?

great argument on pindicator
slowcheetah still high in my book
would vote lewwyn but doubt he get vote yet
brick also high suspect, but wait for him to speak first plz.

[Lewwyn]

thats second reason u pull out of air to vote for me
really, really suspicious lewwyn
why would villager bring non-facts as reasons?
villager wouldnt. a wolf would.

Actually I think a wolf would be even more careful. What the first reason I pulled out of the air to vote for you? Whether you've played before or not is NOT the reason I'm voting for you. I'm voting for you because you adopted a playstyle after playing for a while.

lewwyn also accuse me and mjw early
notice lots of lewwyn posts planting seed on these two lynch
"guy in lurk glad not in game with mjw" <- try to make mjw look bad with no reason
"something stupid happened" <- quoting mjw, stupid refers to wolf out himself discussion early, quoted sentence didnt reveal anything
then later more jowy seed planting

Yes "lots" of seed planting there. I questions MJW's vote and switch off of you, then I question your abrupt change in playstyle. “the later more Jowy seed planting"? WTF. I'm attacking you because you're suspicious. You aren't doing ANYTHING to help your case with this ridiculousness.

lewwyn not change suspect since very early
throw one vote brick earlier, but no serious
stay on one suspect (this case two) is wolf behavior because they know answers
we villagers dont know answers

Nothing you have done has swayed me from my belief that you are a wolf. No one else has been as suspicious and no one else has really had as terrible amount of wolf hunting.

everyone too fixated on my post style
i got distracted by brick meta yes
and now u get distracted by my post style
you see how it can happen to anyone who no have bad intention?

YOU ARE NOT POST RESTRICTED! You changed into this "playstyle" AFTER everyone got suspicious of you!!!

would vote lewwyn but doubt he get vote yet

please vote for me and prove my next point.



Jowy is simply reacting. His playstyle was a reaction. His first post was an OMGUS vote reacting to MJW. He is reacting as everyone votes towards him. His current attack on me is again a lame attempt to push me off voting for him. He's practically saying if I DON"T change my vote then I'm suspicious and I'm a wolf.

No, Jowy is wolfy because he is reactive, not active.

[Gazglum]

Tally (based on Rowain's previous)

Jowy ( 5 ) - Lewwyn, Jkaen, Gazglum, Mattimeo, Brick
pindicator ( 4 ) - Ichabod, slowcheetah, uberfish, Azza
slowcheetah ( 2 ) - Qg, Jowy,
Ichabod (2) - Rowain, Zakalwe
Mattimeo ( 1 ) - MJW
MJW ( 1 ) - pindicator,
Uberfish (1) - Novice

No vote ( 0 ) -

[Rowain]

thanks Gaz

@SC

I believe 5 people are voting for me right now, NOT including pindicator, but he was the one whose postings seemed the most suspicious.

When you wrote this it were just the same 2 people voting for you as in Gazglums tally. Are you trying to play the "I'm not paying close attention so I'm clearly a villager"-card here?

@Lewwyn:
Since when are you active scum-hunting on D1? And btw What is your impression of Jkaen & Mattimeo so far?


@Gazglum whats your opinion on Jkaen & Matt?

[Jowy]

post style been same all game, wtf u talk about
u keep making up reasons that not based on fact

i out you for future
i may die but i still win if my team win
so i do everything i can to help my team, even if it give wolf more fuel in fire to create mis-lynch of me
i care not how i look because im villager
not scared to be reactive if it is right move to make
is not coincidence that wolf against me, im easy target

lewwyn and brick make yourself very easy target if I die and revealed as villager
you two lead crusade
so i really really hope that you are wolf and not very stupid villager

[Gazglum]

Rowain and Zak, you guys have the weirdest relationship. You squabble and quibble with each other all day and then do these out of the blue synchronised swimming attacks on other people. (Not saying its wolfy, you did it all last game too, I just think it's funny).

Jowy, I found what your reasoning was for Brick's faking:

Oh I thought he was just doing that.
Picture of 1 brick if you have a PR please.

answered yes-no question.
but question is about PR, maybe exception?

But I don't quite get it still. I hadn't understood Brick to not be able to answer questions. But I'll take your word that you thought it was a misuse under the rules of his post restriction.

I also agree that you've been posting in a weird way all game. But Lewwyn is right, it's not so much that you CHANGED your style, it's that you double downed on it. You went from a bit weird to 'look at me i'm drawing attention to how weird my posts are'. I admit that I don't quite know why a wolf would post like you were to start with, but it's the shift in emphasis that I can read as Wolfy.

But for me, its simpler than that, I don't like your votes. You talk about 'playing for the team', and it doesn't mastter if you go down as long as you reveal a wolf, etc., but by your own admission you're just self-preservation voting the people in the lead. You're not even questioning them or challenging them to give them something to defend against. That's not good teamwork.

[Rowain]

Rowain and Zak, you guys have the weirdest relationship. You squabble and quibble with each other all day and then do these out of the blue synchronised swimming attacks on other people.

That's not unusual with old couples.

still I#m interested in your opinion of Jkaen and Matt.