WW25 - Game Thread

[uberfish]

What votes do you want me to explain... ?

MJW - because he went into fairly detailed speculation and I didn't see where it was coming from at the time
pind - because I agreed with SC's assessment of his early posts. I didn't have anything original to add to that argument. It was mid-day 1 ffs.
novice - explained at the time because his attack on me didn't make much sense. and I still think my reasoning is good here. the only thing people argued against this was the vague "I disagree"
pind again - End of day consolidation, still don't have a strong case against anyone at this point, and jowy and brick whom i was looking at earlier had decreased their suspicion levels by clearing up their posting.
MJW - I did think it was safer for me to put votes on the momentum target and didn't really want to lynch village read Jowy anyway

So Pind are you seriously calling your own vote on MJW self preservation? You didn't have any momentum on you and the 3 players that seemed most likeyl to be lynched were jowy, MJW and myself.

[Azza]

Well, last night proves that a Zak-Rowain last minute wagon only works if I'm part of it.

pindicator and Brick don't come out looking too good from it IMO.

pindicator's last 15 minutes felt like a similar frustration as Brick's last game, and he'd lost the likelihood of being lynched in the posts immediately preceding his vote.

Brick jumped on MJW right at the last moment despite this.

MJW

[zakalwe]

pindicator's last 15 minutes felt like a similar frustration as Brick's last game, and he'd lost the likelihood of being lynched in the posts immediately preceding his vote.

What are you saying here? I don't get it.

[Azza]

pindicator's last 15 minutes felt like a similar frustration as Brick's last game, and he'd lost the likelihood of being lynched in the posts immediately preceding his vote.

What are you saying here? I don't get it.

His mini-meltdown seemed similar to Brick's frustrations last game. On top of that, when he made his very late switch to MJW the pressure was already off him.

Does that clarify?

[uberfish]

@Serdoa

does MJW's death message indicate that he is a vanilla, or is it purely an alignment reveal with hidden role?

[Lewwyn]

From the OP:

Dead players will be revealed with their alignment. No role PMs, no abilities.

So dunno if he had a role or not I guess.

[zakalwe]

pindicator's last 15 minutes felt like a similar frustration as Brick's last game, and he'd lost the likelihood of being lynched in the posts immediately preceding his vote.

What are you saying here? I don't get it.

His mini-meltdown seemed similar to Brick's frustrations last game. On top of that, when he made his very late switch to MJW the pressure was already off him.

Does that clarify?

Yeah.

I think self-preservation was an acceptable reason for both Uberfish and Pindicator to vote for MJW. With the way the votes were flying I don't think it's fair to nitpick on what the exact vote count was at each instant. MJW was clearly the safest place for them to put their vote. So I'm not holding those votes against them.

Why do you think Pindicator voted for MJW, if it wasn't for self-preservation?

[Azza]

I'm not sure, but when he made the vote, he didn't need to preserve himself anymore. That's the point. With a vote count only a handful of posts before that, he would've known who was on him, and that they'd moved off him.

[Gazglum]

I wouldbn't be at all surprised if there was wolf involvement in that last minute MJW push, but I do sympathise with the people involved. Deadline hopping is pretty fast-paced stuff, and I know its easy to get caught up in the moment. While I can see why people are suspicious of Pindicator, I can also buy his behaviour as a villager excited at having gone from 'probably going to die' to 'hey, maybe we're about to catch a wolf'.

People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.

[BRickAstley]

...and why is everyone ignoring BRick's actual arguments against Ichabod

What arguments?

Ichabod