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WW25 - Game Thread

Brick, I would also like you to explain your MJW vote, now that you can talk freely (through Pindicator).

In fact, it would be great if you could briefly translate all of your previous picture posts.
If you know what I mean.
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(June 23rd, 2013, 17:49)zakalwe Wrote: In fact, it would be great if you could briefly translate all of your previous picture posts.

He's already said in the QT that he wants to do exactly that smile
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that would confirm that pindicators ability is legit
no way he could make up explanations for all cryptic posts
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Ichabod, why did you make that bold push for MJW on day one anyway, stating you were very sure of his guilt? Was it just for the "wolf would never do that" points?

Gazglum, help us out - is this your first game as scum?
I have to run.
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huh

Lewwyn, why were you visiting Azza last night?
-- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
-- As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
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Well, that's annoying. See you on the other side.
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(June 23rd, 2013, 15:50)Jowy Wrote: mattimeo: near zero contribution, target all villager (which wolf with big post count would not do, it'd be obvious, but low might, easier to defend), which two i know are 100% villager (mjw and me).
Yeah, because it's not possible for a villager to target two other villagers amongst 15 other players, is it?

(June 23rd, 2013, 06:43)Gazglum Wrote: People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.
So, deciding that someone else is a better candidate than the person who eventually got lynched makes me *more* suspicious than the people who conspired to kill MJW in the last half hour of the day? And that's discounting the fact that half of the names you mentioned were on that final wagon anyway - this post just makes no sense what-so-ever.
-- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
-- As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
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FYI this is from the other gazglum post that red flagged on reread (200).

Quote:After last game, I have a healthy respect for Ichabod’s gut feelings, but I’m not sold on MJW scumminess. Especially because so many other possible wolves voted on him. I can see Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy or Pindicator as wolves, and they all voted MJW. That makes me feel like he’s being set up for a fall.

Note that he's already said he thinks MJW is innocent because he's drawing attention to himself and a wolf wouldn't do that. so it's kind of strange that he expresses respect for Ichabod's gut feelings here, he's essentially saying "I'm happy for Ichabod to disagree with me and continue voting MJW." Then we have this statement that a bunch of "potential wolves" are voting MJW. Well, he's voting me at this point purely for having voted MJW in the first place, and hasn't said anything about the others. I find this reasoning pretty circular.

Quote:On Pindicator: First, if he really has played games with a MNG and a MJW, then I do not blame him at all for getting them confused. Second, I thought Slow’s case against him was interesting, but Pindicator’s response felt genuine to me. And if we’re analysing people’s posts from Day 1, I thought Brick’s summation of Novice was more convincing than Slow’s of PIndicators.

More hedging. And this doesn't sound like Pindicator is really a suspect as the "potential wolf" stuff above would imply.

Quote:Uberfish never responded to my vote on him, which reminds me of his last scum game. But he’s been contributing since then, certainly more than Novice. SO I guess I could swing to Novice as part of my silent superwolf paranoia, but I think there is definitely enough evidence amassing elsewhere now.

And more hedging.
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I also thought Gazglum was suspicious.

(June 22nd, 2013, 07:48)Gazglum Wrote: I've got to go to bed hunters and scum. I haven't seen anything better than Jowy, I would say. I don't like his votes, I don't like his lack of clear explanation for them until prompted, and I don't like that explanation when it came. Self preservation voting makes sense at deadline, but repeatedly doing it half-way through the day is not the best way to hunt wolves.

Slowcheetah's case I'm not really seeing, I'm not willing to lynch my old shipmate Ichabod based on the flimsy evidence presented so far. If Pindicator doesn't post again before deadline, I would consider that a bit sus, but I can't wait to find out. So Jowy.

This post I found be one of those announcing "I'm going to bed and I'm leaving my vote parked here for this reason" type of votes. I felt he was pretty obviously doing something that I've done when I was scum which is to lock his vote in.

(June 22nd, 2013, 07:53)Gazglum Wrote: Jowy, if you -have- a 'big role', you might have to come a bit cleaner on it if you're still in the lead closer to deadline. Sacrificing yourself doesn't help us. But I really do have to go to bed, and I'm sorry, I'm staying on you.

Again the "I'm sorry" = "My hands are clean if you get lynched, I'm locked in and going to bed."

This post last night has already been brought up, but it is the one that brought up the most alarm bells:

(June 23rd, 2013, 06:43)Gazglum Wrote: I wouldbn't be at all surprised if there was wolf involvement in that last minute MJW push, but I do sympathise with the people involved. Deadline hopping is pretty fast-paced stuff, and I know its easy to get caught up in the moment. While I can see why people are suspicious of Pindicator, I can also buy his behaviour as a villager excited at having gone from 'probably going to die' to 'hey, maybe we're about to catch a wolf'.

People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.

Let's focus on everyone but me! All of these are scummy! But if they're not scum its not my fault!

Gazglum
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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(June 23rd, 2013, 18:31)Mattimeo Wrote: huh

Lewwyn, why were you visiting Azza last night?

duh Why would you do this? Why would you out yourself as a tracker like this if you were villager? Are you a villager? It's only been 1 night and you immediately run out spill the beans? Why couldn't you wait and follow me again the next night?

I do not want to divulge what my role is. I did not go to Azza to kill him. I did not go to Azza to protect him.

Jesus, Matt either you are scum or you've fucked up.
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