WW25 - Game Thread

[pindicator]

Ichabod, do you have something more to contribute today than this?

WW25, Day 1. My take using BRick's style:

@Jowy - you'd be surprised how many times stuff like that happens...

[BRickAstley]

Lewwyn

[pindicator]

Well, i can't seem to get my phone to copy text from the quicktopic forums for some reason.  At work so phone is what I got for the next 8 hours.
If there are any typos in here, it's because I re-typed Brick's message

Please Post: "I think Matt is definitely villager, but that was a bad error posting so early.  Nevertheless, I think we need to look at Lewwyn.

Lewwyn: In your posts you seem to claim that you aren't a killer, and later that you did something that caused Azza to be killed.  At this point scum know you have something going on, and I feel like keeping silent on what happened there only keeps us from getting a good enough read on you, and won't make you more likely to be scum killed.  Since that is likely the case, can you please give us some more light on what happened?  You WERE at the scene of a kill so I feel this would be wrong not to investigate."

[novice]

For Brick:

I do not want to divulge what my role is. I did not go to Azza to kill him. I did not go to Azza to protect him.

I am not scum! I am human and my ability would have had no effect on Azza if he were human!

Sounds to me like Lewwyn claims the role TwinkleToes(?) had in one game, i.e. he's a vigilante whose kill only works on scum.

[pindicator]

Except TT's ability only worked on town. Ha, that's still funny to recall

[slowcheetah]

Reading through, my initial thoughts concern pindicator. I actually think the 'werewolf rage' is equally likely as both a wolf and a villager and so is a bit of a null tell. This, coupled to a substantial increase in content and his ability to translate for BRick (which is again a null tell, albeit currently a useful one), leads me to put him on the side of a villager recovering from illness rather than a ravening hellhound.
Secondly Jowy, I actually quite like his long summary post of where he stands. Although this, posted in it's entirity;

that would confirm that pindicators ability is legit
no way he could make up explanations for all cryptic posts

feels unecessary, that's a l'il bit of too-helpful stating the obvious in my opinion. I think Jowy bears watching but there isn't enough there to vote him yet. His wording is just rather irritating at this point, and seems substantially anti-village (even if it's a future one it effects).

Zakalwe-

Post 450- I don't have much to add to the other debates going on, but in sum they reinforce my suspicion towards Slowcheetah, by simple elimination.

I will try to reread with an open mind once I find the time, though.

What's your elimination model, or are you just saying things because they sound hunty?

[uberfish]

2) zak

gazglum asked a valid question, why didn't I mention zak earlier when looking at the list of late MJW voters?

The answer is I think that's a null tell for zak. If he's scum, once ichabod flipped off me to MJW he's experienced enough to be capable of just going with the flow to blend in with a likely village move.

Right now I don't really trust zak. Lots of questions, lots of "I like this"/ "I don't like this" with little explanation. Feels like despite the high post count, he is sitting back and letting everyone else make moves.


3) SC

Besides his attack against pindicator for asking too many questions, which I agreed with at the time, he didn't make much of a contribution to day 1 and his opening 4 or so posts were awkward. Somewhat scummy because of that, but less so than gazglum.


4) Brick

We can assume that pindicator is passing his messages on accurately, if not brick could easily let us know. I think he's made a good effort to hunt scum despite the limitations of his post restriction, and he gets town points for this, he's not trying to use the PR as a way to hide.


5) Lewwyn

Not suspicious from day play. However, he should still be checked out by an ability seer if that role exists.


6) Pindicator

I'll accept the explanation for the self preservation vote, since after all I wasn't fully aware of the vote count myself in that last minute rush.

Presuming that you initiated the QT with brick, what's the flavour behind your role?

[zakalwe]

Slowcheetah - there are not a great many likely scum in my mind, even though I could have some blind spots. So while I can't say that any one player is definitely innocent, the sum total of village leans makes me think that you're a good target. That's my model.

[zakalwe]

2) zak

gazglum asked a valid question, why didn't I mention zak earlier when looking at the list of late MJW voters?

The answer is I think that's a null tell for zak. If he's scum, once ichabod flipped off me to MJW he's experienced enough to be capable of just going with the flow to blend in with a likely village move.

Right now I don't really trust zak. Lots of questions, lots of "I like this"/ "I don't like this" with little explanation. Feels like despite the high post count, he is sitting back and letting everyone else make moves.

You're right, I've kind of been in a passive "this is how I feel" mode for a while now. I'll probably switch gears soon and start arguing a bit more actively.

[Mattimeo]

Sounds to me like Lewwyn claims the role TwinkleToes(?) had in one game, i.e. he's a vigilante whose kill only works on scum.

That's what I've gotten out of it as well. It does seem a *very* strong role, though. Maybe slightly too strong to be actually included by the GM?

Azza died. He was a Ghoul.

Can't tell if this is a grey, or a light blue.
Either way, definitely a third faction, but that does not necessarily mean a hostile faction. Grey is often neutral (though, in this case, quite possibly just signifies 'undead').

Which gives three main scenarios, that (I think) Gazglum mentioned something along the lines of earlier:
1) Two scum factions. Ghouls kill Rowain, wolves kill Azza. Lewwyn is wolf.
2) Ghouls neutral, or at least currently lacking a night-kill. Wolves kill Rowain, Lewwyn kills Azza. Lewwyn hostile (likely SK)
3) Ghouls neutral. Wolves kill Rowain, Lewwyn kills Azza. Lewwyn friendly (appears to be a vig variant)

Lewwyn's reaction definitely seems more indignant town than discovered scum, so I'm good with the third line of reasoning for now.

If all 3 main candidates (MJW, jowy, myself) at the end were innocent I think that's somewhat a village tell on Ichabod too, I don't see much incentive for wolf ichabod to start a last minute run on MJW under these circumstances.

Aren't you forgetting pindicator? Pretty sure he was in the lead, vote-wise, at the point Ichabod started the last minute run on MJW - and had been in the lead, outright or sharing, for multiple hours beforehand.