WW25 - Game Thread

[Mattimeo]

On the actual hunting side of things:

BRickAstley: looking exceedingly unlikely to have faked his restriction at this point. Very involved in the game despite (or perhaps because of) it. Town lean.

pindicator: interaction with BRick suggests mild town lean. Has proven claimed ability (well, has proven the existence of a QT thread between himself and BRick, after claiming to be capable of instigating one). Question: Not sure if you explained earlier, but is this communication permanent once set up? Do you have multiple charges?

Jowy: seems to be saying a decent amount, but I'm not taking much in. His manner of speaking is annoying enough that I'd almost be inclined to lynch him for it in a few days if it looks like we can afford to. Has claimed vanilla town.

Gazglum: does seem more slightly strained misdirection rather than the somewhat jocular analysis and hunting I expect from him. Slight scum lean.

slowcheetah: even more lacking a clear direction than Gazglum. Seems to be painting a lot of people with a slight villager lean - maybe he's just struggling to make up cases against them when he knows they're town?

Ichabod: Lead the last minute wagon while there were at least three people who could be easily considered as "on the block". Could have been attempting to protect any one of them. BRick's analysis of his Day 1 actions to about 4 hours before deadline (#286, translation in pindicator's handy reference chart) is spot on - Ichabod was not hunting. And today, his *only* post is (as pindicator has already called him out for) an image joking about the result of the lynch yesterday. On the outside chance he is actually town, he's definitely not helping us.

[Ichabod]

Nobody liked my fun pic, so i guess I have to make some comments.

thats why i think mjw train not wolf plot. pindicator already safe by that point, remaining three all villager.
which is reason why ichabod villager. honest mistake. vote result change nothing, wolf would not bother.

Exactly, wolf would not bother doing what I did. At least I wouldn't, if I was a wolf.

Looking at that last minute move.

I still think jowy is innocent atm. I don't care if he posts in a weird style so long as he is producing actual content. If all 3 main candidates (MJW, jowy, myself) at the end were innocent I think that's somewhat a village tell on Ichabod too, I don't see much incentive for wolf ichabod to start a last minute run on MJW under these circumstances. I think scum would regard me as a higher value mislynch target than MJW anyway since it's easier to get MJW lynched late in the game for acting weird.

I'm ok with pind's explanation of his vote, starting to sound a bit like the emotional village pind from previous games. Brick's vote is weird.

@Novice my point was MJW's speculation was particularly detailed compared to say, Q's, and that gazglum post later was a response to MJW

Speaking of gazglum he definitely feels off his regular game, he usually doesn't hesitate to give a clear opinion on people instead of posting stuff like this:

I wouldbn't be at all surprised if there was wolf involvement in that last minute MJW push, but I do sympathise with the people involved. Deadline hopping is pretty fast-paced stuff, and I know its easy to get caught up in the moment. While I can see why people are suspicious of Pindicator, I can also buy his behaviour as a villager excited at having gone from 'probably going to die' to 'hey, maybe we're about to catch a wolf'.

People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.

There's a lot of hedging there, and the interesting thing about what he mentions concerning MJW voters is that he'd already called everyone voting for MJW potential wolves in the early part of day 1. I think if he's a first time (? not sure) wolf he might be finding it hard to make up reads. Thus the hedging (and spotlighting MJW voters is a pretty convenient method for getting "reads" if you're a wolf and already know MJW is village.)

I like this case. I also don't like about Gazglum that he didn't single out Zakalwe or Novice in his "suspects-from-MJW-bandwagon". I know he explained it, but I don't like it.

What do you think of Uber's post above, Ichabod?

I very much like Uber's post above, Zak.

Ichabod, why did you make that bold push for MJW on day one anyway, stating you were very sure of his guilt? Was it just for the "wolf would never do that" points?

Gazglum, help us out - is this your first game as scum?

Yup, just for the wolf would never do this points.

Nah, thing is, I'm reading a book about how to make people listen to your arguments and the book told me to stand by my points and always appear confident. I did this and it worked. Well, the part of people following me, not the part about MJW being a wolf.

(everything above is a joke, by the way)

#355: reasoning for my vote. how i felt about pind, jowy, and uber is the same, but i thought ichabod was a wolf. I voted for ichabod, but everyone else was mainly on the other three. So when Ichabod went after MJW, i had an idea. I would vote MJW too, because i had some feelings that he was wolfy, though not strong. If he was a wolf, awesome, wolf killed! If not, i think ichabod likely wolf trying to stir up trouble (and maybe save a fellow wolf...) So now, kill the ichabod.

That doesn't make any sense. See Jowy's post above.

I agree that Lewwyn and Mattimeo earn town tells.

Zak, what's the case on Slowcheetah?

Ichabod, why did you herd everybody onto MJW?

Because I thought he was suspicious. No one made any other passionate cases, so I figured I might as well sell my case, against the player I suspected the most. Simple as that.

Will comment more later.

Gazglum

[Qgqqqqq]

Oh and I've cross posted with you semi-retracting that and explaining the uberfish vote
Still I'm tired, and can't be bothered

You cross-posted with a post from 2 hours ago? That's a hell of a writeup you must have done Q.

Wow 2 hours

Ok, I'll admit my attack on you looks a bit flaky now. I did really think that Slow was your initial joke vote, and that you had held on him the rest of the time.

ANd there is some truth that I started writing a hit on you. My own sanity took a turn for the worst when I suddenly had two heavy hitters hitting me heavily, one of whom I thought was probably town, so I wanted to find a real scum who had been flying under the radar. I got excited studying you, thought I had something, but after typing it up I wasn't so sure, so I went to Uber instead.

You realise this is pretty much what you accuse me of right? Making a case just to try and ward off "heavy hitters."

I'm still not totally convinced though. Ok, you say it was a complete coincidence that you went SLowcheetah at the moment he seemed partly tied with you in Zak and Rowain's suspicions, and I can believe it could be. But it could also be clever scum play.

It could - but then most things could. I'm just asking you how likely you think it is that I pull out a case on someone because two people who have voted for me are voting him?
Its not like they were strong on me anyway...

(BTW Rowain will forever be Godwin to me now, thanks Q's auto-correct.)

That's what it comes up as every time. Just like Molach is solace, zakalwe is daisies and gazglum is vastlym.

I also disagree that there would be no reason for scum Q to try and get Slow hanged. Especially as there seem to be three factions, so the wolves might be hunting ghouls or vice versa. And even if he was village, you could easily pull the 'a wolf would never do that' line after the dust had settled. Maybe you're right that it would be out of character for you, but I don't think its impossible. Last time you were a wolf you won and won well, so I have a high regard for your scum play Q.

I find it unlikely theyd know about Ghouls, though possibly vice versa. But your attitude "even if he was innocent" is odd to me, seeing as you cast hum as strong innocent earlier.
That makes me think wolf pair slip...If he flips scum, I'll definitely be voting you.
I also don't think it'd be impossible, I'm just trying to work out why you think I would try to get a innocent hanged? And I could and would say that wolves avoid that, but its still more suspicious to have led a mislynch then not.

What is your opinion on Uber at the moment?

I have a town lean on him.

[Ichabod]

Ichabod: Lead the last minute wagon while there were at least three people who could be easily considered as "on the block". Could have been attempting to protect any one of them. BRick's analysis of his Day 1 actions to about 4 hours before deadline (#286, translation in pindicator's handy reference chart) is spot on - Ichabod was not hunting. And today, his *only* post is (as pindicator has already called him out for) an image joking about the result of the lynch yesterday. On the outside chance he is actually town, he's definitely not helping us.

Of course I won't be hunting, if you consider all my hunting a "wolf ploy to save a wolf". I was actually pretty vocal with my hunting yesterday, I believe.

[Qgqqqqq]

Oh and I likes your pic ichabod

[Ichabod]

Oh and I likes your pic ichabod

Thanks.

BTW, Mattimeo, don't believe BRick's comments about me. Either he's



Or he has

[novice]

Jowy: Has claimed vanilla town.

Thanks for reminding me. That's a somewhat unlikely claim in a role-heavy game that wanted more signups than it could get, where Serdoa needed an extra day to write role pms. (Also it makes a mislynch less bad).

Ichabod is trolling. He has a reputation for doing that when town but not when scum. Maybe he's abusing that reputation.

[Jowy]

another player possibly abusing a reputation is jkaen.
apparently known for being busy at weekend.
says hes sad that we start on a weekend.
then later on says he has work mon-tue and cant post much.

if busy on weekend AND weekday, why sign up?

[Ichabod]

Jowy: Has claimed vanilla town.

Thanks for reminding me. That's a somewhat unlikely claim in a role-heavy game that wanted more signups than it could get, where Serdoa needed an extra day to write role pms. (Also it makes a mislynch less bad).

Ichabod is trolling. He has a reputation for doing that when town but not when scum. Maybe he's abusing that reputation.

Well, I meant with my post above that either BRick is a wolf or he has a severe case of tunnel vision. C'mon, he thinks I'm a wolf that bandwagoned MJW to save a fellow wolf. So, who's my fellow wolf and why won't he vote for him first, since my guilt depends on that? The argument doesn't hold. Besides, BRick also said he suspected MJW, so he probably understands why I suspected him too (if he's a villager).

I like the case against Gazglum, I feel the same about Slowcheetah as yesterday. I have a nagging feeling about this Pindicator/BRick situation. I don't see any reason to believe there's a third party in the game. That's basically all for me so far.

[pindicator]

Zak, what do you think about ichabod?

For that matter, what are your thoughts in general?
I am less sure about Gaxglum because I've had a lot of the same thoughts as him today...