WW25 - Game Thread

[pindicator]

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Whoah, is thay content, Ichabod!?

[BRickAstley]

Jowy: Has claimed vanilla town.

Thanks for reminding me. That's a somewhat unlikely claim in a role-heavy game that wanted more signups than it could get, where Serdoa needed an extra day to write role pms. (Also it makes a mislynch less bad).

Ichabod is trolling. He has a reputation for doing that when town but not when scum. Maybe he's abusing that reputation.

Well, I meant with my post above that either BRick is a wolf or he has a severe case of tunnel vision. C'mon, he thinks I'm a wolf that bandwagoned MJW to save a fellow wolf. So, who's my fellow wolf and why won't he vote for him first, since my guilt depends on that? The argument doesn't hold. Besides, BRick also said he suspected MJW, so he probably understands why I suspected him too (if he's a villager).

I like the case against Gazglum, I feel the same about Slowcheetah as yesterday. I have a nagging feeling about this Pindicator/BRick situation. I don't see any reason to believe there's a third party in the game. That's basically all for me so far.

[Mattimeo]

BTW, Mattimeo, don't believe BRick's comments about me. Either he's
(about to execute a traitor)
Or he has
(tunnel vision)

First one doesn't seem to convey the intended message?

Thanks for reminding me. That's a somewhat unlikely claim in a role-heavy game that wanted more signups than it could get, where Serdoa needed an extra day to write role pms. (Also it makes a mislynch less bad).

Role madness games tend to include exactly one vanilla town for exactly this reason.

if busy on weekend AND weekday, why sign up?

...because he expected the game to start on the previous Monday?

I don't see any reason to believe there's a third party in the game.

Apart from, you know, the fact we had someone dead show up with a name that was neither red (wolf) nor green (town), while the plot introduced a new 'god' at the same time?

[Ichabod]

Zak, what do you think about ichabod?

For that matter, what are your thoughts in general?
I am less sure about Gaxglum because I've had a lot of the same thoughts as him today...

Be careful, mate. I saved you yesterday (was leading a bandwagon to kill you - no content, right?), but I might not be in the mood to do so today.

I almost lynched Pindicator and I lynched MJW. Yet, I post no content. If you want to see how to make no content, go read my first wolf game. That's no content.

P.S. Nice calling for Big Bro Zak. Can't handle this one on one?

[Ichabod]

BTW, Mattimeo, don't believe BRick's comments about me. Either he's
(about to execute a traitor)
Or he has
(tunnel vision)

First one doesn't seem to convey the intended message?

I don't see any reason to believe there's a third party in the game.

Apart from, you know, the fact we had someone dead show up with a name that was neither red (wolf) nor green (town), while the plot introduced a new 'god' at the same time?

Stark = Wolf. Though your interpretation was pretty cool too (not for my case, though).

Well, now I see some reasons to believe.

[Jowy]

if busy on weekend AND weekday, why sign up?

...because he expected the game to start on the previous Monday?

which would be worse for him, because he misses more important days.
that is a really bad excuse.
also i find your answer tone passive-aggressive.

put yourself in his shoe. he is known for being busy. signs up without hesitation. rolls wolf. already has convenient excuse to fly under radar, so why not use it?

[zakalwe]

I have some information that is probably worth sharing with the rest of you. It has contributed to my suspicion against Slowcheetah today, although it isn't a smoking gun.

I am (or rather, was) part of a 3-man neighbor group with Rowain and Azza. We were "gossipers" and could only talk during the day. My initial PM hinted at more than 2 neighbors, but didn't explicitly list them, so I figured they wouldn't know my identity either and decided to stay quiet and observe, thinking that one of the others must be scum. Rowain tried to get some discussion going, but Azza was tight-lipped. After a while, Rowain evidently prodded Serdoa to ask if there were more than two neighbors, and Serdoa "gave me away", saying that we were intended to know who the others were. So at that point I also started posting, and there was a bit more discussion.

Here is a dump of the QT.

1 Serdoa 06-19-2013 04:49 PM ET (US)
<Welcome, and remember only talk here during the day.>

2 Rowain 06-20-2013 03:28 PM ET (US)
:wave: at the other old gossipers. So lets talk about how they ruined the town and need to get kicked hard

3 Azza 06-20-2013 09:49 PM ET (US)
Hai

4 Rowain 06-21-2013 03:03 AM ET (US)
Great I get the most talkative gossip-partner :rolleyes:

5 Azza 06-21-2013 09:15 AM ET (US)
:D

6 Rowain 06-21-2013 09:44 AM ET (US)
Why do I get the feeling that you have another quicktopic to post in?

7 Azza 06-21-2013 10:15 AM ET (US)
I dunno, why do you get that feeling? I'm not a mind reader, so I don't know.

8 Rowain 06-21-2013 11:00 AM ET (US)
Maybe because you simple don't gossip at all.

9 Azza 06-21-2013 11:38 AM ET (US)
I don't know that I can trust you. Until I get a better read on your alignment I see no reason why I should be gossiping with complete disregard for the consequences.

10 Zakalwe 06-21-2013 01:09 PM ET (US)
Hello, fellow gossipers.

I wasn't told who the other two were, so I thought the reverse would be true, too, and I could just stay in the shadows and observe for a while.

But now that everybody's been informed, there's no point in staying quiet.

I had an initial idea that one of the gossipers had to be scum, which contributed to my suspicion against Rowain, but I guess it's possible that we're all town, too.

11 Rowain 06-21-2013 02:47 PM ET (US)
I thought we might be more than 2 going from Serdoas PM. And I also believed that if we are 3 there should be 1 scum.
I wonder if we have some more lurking in the shadows.

12 Rowain 06-21-2013 02:51 PM ET (US)
Scratch the last sentence as I just read Serdoas new PM that it is us 3 and nobody else.

13 Azza 06-22-2013 01:07 AM ET (US)
Hi zak.

I don't think trying to meta that a 3 man gossip group has to have 1 scum member is all that constructive. It's a null tell, and in absence of other evidence a lynch on that assumption is more likely to kill a villager than a scum. Not to mention the possibility of the whole group being town, where we're certain to mislynch. Let's focus on the actual scum tells that get posted.

14 Zakalwe 06-22-2013 02:17 AM ET (US)
Sure, if we have real scum tells to go on, that would be best. But on day one, your combination of lurking and being a gossiper makes you a tempting policy lynch.

If we're not lynching one of us, we could try to pool our votes instead.

15 Rowain 06-22-2013 02:46 AM ET (US)
I agree with your first sentence zak. If you read back you see that I do have my doubts about Azza.

Which also means I'm sceptical in regard to pooling of our votes. After all there is a chance that you are a wolf trying to get hold of 2 additional votes that way.

But since we are here to gossip what is your read on Ichabod?

16 Rowain 06-22-2013 02:49 AM ET (US)
To clarify: Lynching Azza is tempting but I prefer to not let it happen today.

17 Zakalwe 06-22-2013 02:52 AM ET (US)
I don't know, he's a bit cryptic in not explaining his Pindicator vote, which reminds me of his town play IF he comes back with some crazy scheme about what he was trying to accomplish. So I guess I could join you there for now.

Slowcheetah still feels like a reasonable lynch in that he's a little bit scummy, but not too scummy. Just right, if you know what I mean.

18 Rowain 06-22-2013 02:58 AM ET (US)
For the time it might be best if you stay on SC else he drops too far down. currently it is Jowy 5 SC and pindi 4

19 Rowain 06-22-2013 03:00 AM ET (US)
I'm clearly taking too long to post.

We will get interesting results that way too.

20 Zakalwe 06-22-2013 03:10 AM ET (US)
Is it strange that nobody is voting for Jkaen?

21 Rowain 06-22-2013 08:21 AM ET (US)
About Jkaen: he has problems to play during weekends so I have no interest to attack him today. If he stays as silent and dormant on D2 then he is scum.
That nobody else attacked him is a bit strange but then we have 2-3 focus-points already so most had no reason to start a Jkaen-train.

22 Azza 06-22-2013 09:57 AM ET (US)
I'm going to hope that both of you are also village.

I don't like the slowcheetah wagon for two reasons. The first is I think he made a very good case on pindicator, but that's not why I want to keep this post here.
The second is that if he is scum, I believe he'll leave more and more breadcrumbs about who his scumbuddies are, and will leave some clearer scum tells over the coming days. He did that last game, and IMO completely changing his play style from last game to this game is unlikely.

I'd much rather lynch pindicator today and reconsider slowcheetah day 2 or 3 when we have a bit more to go off.

23 Rowain 06-22-2013 10:04 AM ET (US)
I agree off the 3 tops currently I rather lynch pindi.

24 Zakalwe 06-22-2013 11:05 AM ET (US)
I like the idea of block voting... so long as I get to decide who we vote for. :P

Seriously, though, I'm not convinced that Pindicator is a better lynch than Slowcheetah. Although his latest post voting for me is a bit scummy.

If we think Slowcheetah is scum we shouldn't watch him, we should lynch him.

I'll take a second look, but I don't have much time.

25 Serdoa 06-22-2013 02:08 PM ET (US)
<Remember not to talk during the night.>

26 Rowain 06-23-2013 02:12 PM ET (US)
And now zak has to gossip with himself

27 Zakalwe 06-23-2013 02:44 PM ET (US)
Yay guys, finally daytime again. Let's form a voting block!

Oh wait.

28 Azza 06-23-2013 07:43 PM ET (US)
Have fun in your exclusive quick topic Zak :P

The part that contributes to my suspicion against Slowcheetah is this:

I'm going to hope that both of you are also village.

I don't like the slowcheetah wagon for two reasons. The first is I think he made a very good case on pindicator, but that's not why I want to keep this post here.
The second is that if he is scum, I believe he'll leave more and more breadcrumbs about who his scumbuddies are, and will leave some clearer scum tells over the coming days. He did that last game, and IMO completely changing his play style from last game to this game is unlikely.

I'd much rather lynch pindicator today and reconsider slowcheetah day 2 or 3 when we have a bit more to go off.

I think a likely explanation for this post is the straightforward one: Slowcheetah is in league with Azza.

[zakalwe]

slowcheetah: even more lacking a clear direction than Gazglum. Seems to be painting a lot of people with a slight villager lean - maybe he's just struggling to make up cases against them when he knows they're town?

This is very true of the one post Slowcheetah made today.

Reading through, my initial thoughts concern pindicator. I actually think the 'werewolf rage' is equally likely as both a wolf and a villager and so is a bit of a null tell. This, coupled to a substantial increase in content and his ability to translate for BRick (which is again a null tell, albeit currently a useful one), leads me to put him on the side of a villager recovering from illness rather than a ravening hellhound.
Secondly Jowy, I actually quite like his long summary post of where he stands. Although this, posted in it's entirity;

that would confirm that pindicators ability is legit
no way he could make up explanations for all cryptic posts

feels unecessary, that's a l'il bit of too-helpful stating the obvious in my opinion. I think Jowy bears watching but there isn't enough there to vote him yet. His wording is just rather irritating at this point, and seems substantially anti-village (even if it's a future one it effects).

Zakalwe-

Post 450- I don't have much to add to the other debates going on, but in sum they reinforce my suspicion towards Slowcheetah, by simple elimination.

I will try to reread with an open mind once I find the time, though.

What's your elimination model, or are you just saying things because they sound hunty?

He just gives two wishy-washy reads on Pindicator and Jowy that could be read both ways. The closest thing to a suspicion / accusation is a rhetorical question to me.

@Pindicator. Just based on tone, I'm currently leaning town on Ichabod. But he's a good wolf and all that.

[zakalwe]

What do you think of Uber's post above, Ichabod?

I very much like Uber's post above, Zak.

Ok, for the record, the reason I asked was that I thought Uber's tone was off again in this paragraph:

There's a lot of hedging there, and the interesting thing about what he mentions concerning MJW voters is that he'd already called everyone voting for MJW potential wolves in the early part of day 1. I think if he's a first time (? not sure) wolf he might be finding it hard to make up reads. Thus the hedging (and spotlighting MJW voters is a pretty convenient method for getting "reads" if you're a wolf and already know MJW is village.)

I was just curious if you felt the same way, since we had a similar tone read on one of his earlier posts.

[zakalwe]

Hedging is when people are pressuring you right?

Seeing the word "hedging" in Uber's post reminded me of this question.

According to dictionary.com, hedging can mean:

6. to protect with qualifications that allow for unstated contingencies or for withdrawal from commitment: He hedged his program against attack and then presented it to the board.

7. to mitigate a possible loss by counterbalancing (one's bets, investments, etc.).