WW25 - Game Thread

[BRickAstley]

slowcheetah

[pindicator]

Dang it brick, i'm eorking on my own post

"I'm writing up my thoughts on the day today, and will get them posted when I'm done. In short: I had focused most of my day looking at a possible connection of Pindicator and Lewwyn being wolf buddies to explain the Azza kill situation, but Lewwyn's responses and my dancing with Pindicator in the quicktopic lead me to believe that that doesn't feel solid enough to indict them on at this time. I like zak's case on slowcheetah, and don't think zak or gazglum are worth lynching today. Also, Ichabod reads alot more like a villager than i thought previously, even though he can be quite an ass."

"Also: I need to make some clear associations between certain pictures and what they mean, so if anyone wants to volunteer up some ideas for me I'd gladly take them; maybe just put them in spoiler tags so it doesn't distract from the wolf-hunting conversation."

[Mattimeo]

slowcheetah, since it's looking to be out of him and zak.
He was already a candidate for me, and zak's additional evidence only helps the decision.

If people seriously want to lynch zak for hunting an alternate scum faction, rather than wolves, you can do that tomorrow.

Novice, Qgqqqqq: the double vote / tiebreak (respectively) evidenced yesterday are passive and will show up again tonight, yeah?

[Mattimeo]

Lewwyn why did you claim that he'd played Mafia before?

Lewwyn, did you ever answer this question?

I seem to recall he did, and it concerned the "oh, Werewolf is Mafia?" reaction from Jowy, but I can't find the quote.

[novice]

This is the meat of Uberfish's case on Gazglum, as far as I can tell:

Speaking of gazglum he definitely feels off his regular game, he usually doesn't hesitate to give a clear opinion on people instead of posting stuff like this:

I wouldbn't be at all surprised if there was wolf involvement in that last minute MJW push, but I do sympathise with the people involved. Deadline hopping is pretty fast-paced stuff, and I know its easy to get caught up in the moment. While I can see why people are suspicious of Pindicator, I can also buy his behaviour as a villager excited at having gone from 'probably going to die' to 'hey, maybe we're about to catch a wolf'.

People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.

There's a lot of hedging there, and the interesting thing about what he mentions concerning MJW voters is that he'd already called everyone voting for MJW potential wolves in the early part of day 1. I think if he's a first time (? not sure) wolf he might be finding it hard to make up reads. Thus the hedging (and spotlighting MJW voters is a pretty convenient method for getting "reads" if you're a wolf and already know MJW is village.)

FYI this is from the other gazglum post that red flagged on reread (200).

After last game, I have a healthy respect for Ichabod’s gut feelings, but I’m not sold on MJW scumminess. Especially because so many other possible wolves voted on him. I can see Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy or Pindicator as wolves, and they all voted MJW. That makes me feel like he’s being set up for a fall.

Note that he's already said he thinks MJW is innocent because he's drawing attention to himself and a wolf wouldn't do that. so it's kind of strange that he expresses respect for Ichabod's gut feelings here, he's essentially saying "I'm happy for Ichabod to disagree with me and continue voting MJW." Then we have this statement that a bunch of "potential wolves" are voting MJW. Well, he's voting me at this point purely for having voted MJW in the first place, and hasn't said anything about the others. I find this reasoning pretty circular.

On Pindicator: First, if he really has played games with a MNG and a MJW, then I do not blame him at all for getting them confused. Second, I thought Slow’s case against him was interesting, but Pindicator’s response felt genuine to me. And if we’re analysing people’s posts from Day 1, I thought Brick’s summation of Novice was more convincing than Slow’s of PIndicators.

More hedging. And this doesn't sound like Pindicator is really a suspect as the "potential wolf" stuff above would imply.

Uberfish never responded to my vote on him, which reminds me of his last scum game. But he’s been contributing since then, certainly more than Novice. SO I guess I could swing to Novice as part of my silent superwolf paranoia, but I think there is definitely enough evidence amassing elsewhere now.

And more hedging.

1) gazglum

I think youcould be scum Uber - I didn't like your hostile responses to Pindicator during the night. Jowy I still think very much could be scum - he's making some very coherent points about people today, (again, a shift in style from his noncommunicative votes yesterday), which make him seem very switched on, but yesterday he was playing the noob card.

I also dont like that ýou and Jowy have both come out at the start of Day 2, after a controversial end to Day 1, by both launching fresh attacks on m, when you hadn't pushed at me at all before, even though I had voted both of you.

- doesn't like my hostile reaction to Pind last night. How is that a tell of any sort? I could be annoyed at Pind regardless of my alignment.

- why would I attack gaz now instead of yesterday? Because he made a suspicious post that made me go back and reread his earlier posts. The d1 vote on me didn't bother me at the time, since it didn't seem out of line as a d1 vote - you don't need much of a case to vote people during early day 1.

- As for jowy, everyone told him to start providing actual reasoning and he did (while still posting in the same sentence structure), why would that be suspicious?

Then he starts Day 2 with a fresh line of attack on me, so he can now say I'm counterattacking.

- this doesn't make sense either. Why would I need to say that gazglum was counterattacking? I don't consider that a scum tell. This reads more like gazglum himself is worried that if he counterattacks me people might call that as a scum tell on him, therefore he has to excuse his own behaviour.

* Circular reasoning
* Respects Ichabod's scum read of MJW over his own town read
* Counterattacking, wolf mindset leaking through?
* Hedging

I don't find it all that compelling, really. I'm not sure Gazglum is cool enough to post with the poise that he does as scum. He's had a few good analyses too. And I'm not sure he's been doing any more hedging than the rest of us, it's not like we have any red hot leads.

As usual, I don't find Zakalwe very scummy. Publishing the QT was definitely asking for trouble if he's scum.

Ichabod is hard to pin down, and I still think his trolling could be a deliberate attempt to be classified as town, so I'm willing to lynch him. Same with his MJW wagon, that could be for the "Wolf would never do that" points. (Although town Ichabod just wanting to drive the wagon for once is plausible too).

Like Zakalwe said, Slowcheetah seems like a decent lynch for lack of better candidates. If we're starting a new wagon I think Jowy and Brick are my favourites.

Fake edit: Mattimeo, I forgot about the tiebreaker thing. It wasn't me.

[Mattimeo]

Like Zakalwe said, Slowcheetah seems like a decent lynch for lack of better candidates. If we're starting a new wagon I think Jowy and Brick are my favourites.

Fake edit: Mattimeo, I forgot about the tiebreaker thing. It wasn't me.

uberfish (3) - novice, Jowy, +1

I could go Jowy for the vanilla villager claim, if you're saying that vote definitely didn't come from you...

[pindicator]

Oh haven't ypu been following along ichabod? Everybody's town. Except the ones that aren't of course
I admit i've been more active in the quicktopic with brick then here. I trust brick is village and few others: mattimeo seems definitely one, lewwyn gets a lean. Something that flummoxed me today was that two of the people who i was thinking were scum - Gazglum and Zakalwe - then went and posted thoughts that very much lined up with things i was thinking. So that made me pause. And then you, Ichabod. You seem to have that same confrontational attitude i remember from when i pushed you my first WW game. And you were village then. Plus you are acting like Morte this game. So i guess village for you too.

Where are the wolves then? I was going to vote slowcheetah today and told brick as much but i don't know if i buy that azza would protect a teammate like zak suggests. When has azza ever done that?

But... I also don't like how slowcheetah disappeared when pressure and votes piled up.

Novice, why jowy and brick? I haven't neen able to follow your reasoning this game and that is gnawing at me

[pindicator]

And yes, it took almost an hour to write that. Stupid phone. Stupid job

[novice]

Fake edit: Mattimeo, I forgot about the tiebreaker thing. It wasn't me.

--------------------------------------- Deadline --------------------------------

Official End-Tally for Day 1

MJW (6) - Ichabod, Rowain, zakalwe, uberfish, pindicator, BRickAstley
Jowy (3) - Jkaen, Gazglum, Mattimeo
uberfish (3) - novice, Jowy, +1
slowcheetah (2.1) - Qgqqqqq, Lewwyn
pindicator (2) - slowcheetah, Azza
Mattimeo (1) - MJW

Hm, and I've completely failed to notice the extra vote. That wasn't me either.

[Ichabod]

Why am I an ass, BRick?

I dislike that comment by Pindicator that he's working on a post...

C'mon, Novice, not even you can believe what you are writing about me. You'll lynch me because I'm trolling? Again, people are just forgetting about what I post while being serious. I hope you only said that because you don't see any good targets, Novice, otherwise it's pretty suspicious.

I don't buy an argument saying that Gaz wouldn't be able to keep his poise when playing as a wolf. We never seen him playing wolf and I think he has all the qualities to be a good wolf.

Time until deadline? I could move my vote to Pindicator or BRick. I don't think I'll vote Zak and currently Slowcheetah is on the lead, so my vote isn't needed in there too.