WW25 - Game Thread

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn you've claimed a vig role, and I remember you saying you thought there might be another one. from what you know of your role, do you think it's possible there could be a second town aligned vigilante?

Just to be clear I'm sort of a vig. Azza did die, but that was because he was a ghoul. If he were human something else would have happened.

And yeah its possible, but again he wouldn't be a pure vig. The limitations on my role make me think so.

I am curious about Brick's role, but like I thought there might be someone else similar to me. Could be that Brick saw that and wanted to claim it. I don't know for sure. What I do know is I don't want to give scum more information about my role, nor about Brick's if he is a villager.

So is Brick a villager or is he scum using what I said earlier as cover? Personally... I think Brick has been pretty villagery. I think if he were scum he wouldn't have given up his post restriction. Uber makes some good questions about sanity, whic is one of the reasons I'm REALLY on the fence now. Why go into convoluted sanity connections to make your PR more believable? Why come clean? If I were scum I would have simply said, "the sanity meter moved far enough away from 20 that you're all insane enough to understand me now." But he didn't. Instead he came clean. Again though is that more suspicious or less suspicious? I'm on the fence.


Is novice suspicious to anyone else for voting Q for no reason and then voting Brick immediately? Because I certainly think so. Jkaen is putting some effort in but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think village.

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Wow. That is...big.
I think, no matter his personal desire to live longer its very anti-town, especially considering how long people (including me ) spent deciphering posts.
I also think its rather anti-town in that I struggle to get a read on BRick as a result, and I'm sure other people have also struggled. I think in general his posts have seemed villagery, but I'm not sure how the positive interaction of the PR and it masking any possible slips has effected that...

Onto the Mayor/Doublevoter situation: I am rather suprised this didn't gain more attention on N1 - I personally avoided it because I didn't want my power coming to light, even in what seems like a very power-heavy game.
I do think it gives a very strong scum lean to the DV, given the combo of not following their votes, and my personal innocence. In turn, I think [and thought - I know this has been raised since, but I thought this at the time] this gives a very strong town lean to uberfish - or at least a different-faction read.
I know its been mentioned that uber was online at time and could've cast it, but seriously that is over-complicating IMO, and especially given the volatile nature of the end of that day isn't something I would risk (or think scum-uber would risk).
I also admit myself somewhat suprised that only Matt is noticing/mentioning this stuff.

[Lewwyn]

You know that Ichabod is now dead, right?

Sorry was just using the 1st post as my guideline while I was writing this, and his death isnt marked there yet

Speaking of the first post:

Dead Players (in order of death)

MJW, Village
Rowain, Village
Azza, Ghoul
slowcheetah, Village

Azza is clearly listed as Ghoul rather than village. Pindicator asked me if I think there are more than one factions. I think this points to multiple factions. I am curious about the single kill tonight. I do not know what happened, but I still think there are a multitude of reasons that one one kill happened. Obviously we could actually be dealing with a single scum faction. With two scum factions though we could be seeing alternating kills, or multiple protection and blocker roles. Given my own role I think this is extremely possible.

The reason I think this is relevant to mention when so often I tell people to forget about the meta and hunt scum is because of Brick's claim. For him to exist in that role as a villager I think there have to be two scum factions, otherwise he could just be a wolf.

Anyway, I really think that while this should be kept in mind, we have to look at everyone from a scum hunting perspective without meta. Serdoa said it too...


I may disappear soon. Going to the hospital tonight, overnight, as the baby is over a week late and there might be something wrong with her position. I'll have my phone though and I'll probably try to keep reading to keep myself sane.

[Lewwyn]

Onto the Mayor/Doublevoter situation: I am rather suprised this didn't gain more attention on N1 - I personally avoided it because I didn't want my power coming to light, even in what seems like a very power-heavy game.

I didn't want to mention anything to implicate you either.

I do think it gives a very strong scum lean to the DV, given the combo of not following their votes, and my personal innocence. In turn, I think [and thought - I know this has been raised since, but I thought this at the time] this gives a very strong town lean to uberfish - or at least a different-faction read.
I know its been mentioned that uber was online at time and could've cast it, but seriously that is over-complicating IMO, and especially given the volatile nature of the end of that day isn't something I would risk (or think scum-uber would risk).
I also admit myself somewhat suprised that only Matt is noticing/mentioning this stuff.

I think this is interesting considering uberfish. I'm leaning more towards zak and novice as scum (either the same faction or separate ones it doesn't make a difference) because they are both playing a bit scummy IMO. I actually don't think the two of them are on the same team but I think they are both going out of each other's way to avoid disagreeing.

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holding info to "bait" people just bad. so many other way to do same, but without compromising status of real info.

Such as?

This was a serious question, Jowy.

Q, who are your top suspects then?

Having taken the time to think about the game,Gazglum and you (novice).

Gazglum I think I've posted on, I feel as though his posts are contrived and haven't really contributed much - I'll try to go through them sometime tomorrow, but suffice to say the "jokey" gazglum that we all know and love feels forced, in ways it hasn't in the past. Not only this, but there's been a bunch of times when his posts have seemed (to me) rather scummy, as though he's trying to set things up without taking part.

However, I find myself increasingly suspicious of novice.
I don't know how much you've been pressured for time recently, but you've been pretty brief lately. I don't criticize the frequency of posts, but the content. It seems you're around a lot because you are posting a fair bit still, but there hasn't been anything significant in them. Most are just questioning like the one quoted, with nothing of particular substance.
It seems as though you're struggling to keep post count up, and/or simply reacting to the events in thread rather then participating. Combining that with rather passive voting day 2, simply dumping it rather then helping out in the wagon (okay yeah I did this too...) it seemed as though it was more buddying up to zak then suspicion.
Do you have anyone you're suspicious of?

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Onto the Mayor/Doublevoter situation: I am rather suprised this didn't gain more attention on N1 - I personally avoided it because I didn't want my power coming to light, even in what seems like a very power-heavy game.

I didn't want to mention anything to implicate you either.

Ha, wondered if there was any of this.

I think this is interesting considering uberfish. I'm leaning more towards zak and novice as scum (either the same faction or separate ones it doesn't make a difference) because they are both playing a bit scummy IMO. I actually don't think the two of them are on the same team but I think they are both going out of each other's way to avoid disagreeing.

I agree with the buddying on novices part, but haven't noticed any the other way round...


Oh and on general multi-faction speculation: I think that there's too many possibilities out there, so I'm not going to assume anything until someone flips. I personally think that pretty well anything is possible, but I'm leaning on a single faction with possible SK/survivor.

[Serdoa]

Updated the first post to reflect actual state of game.

[Jkaen]

Posts 200-300 aka the Jowy show

Narcissism ? With pressure already being applied I'd be a lowhanging first target for the wolves. primarily because I'm not actually very good.

Then why is pindicater not voting you? You seem to be assuming that wolves are targeting you for a mislynch, when in reality, as a wolf you just try just to blend in, not to cause a mislynch. That means you react to suspicious things people say, not try to contrive lynchs.
That probably doesn't make any sense...what I'm saying is that wolves wouldn't target you, and that I find your defence against your cases being targeted only at those who are attacking you weak. Particularly seeing as you follow it with a weak (and self-dismissed, therefore bringing it up without attaching oneself to a potential wagon [meaning suspicion is provided, showing activity and sowing doubts without being associated with the movement]) case on Ichabod which seems as though you're more concerned with protecting reputation then actual scum hunting.

I am starting to get worried how much this whole wolves would only hide in the background never attack thing gets trotted out by people, I would be very tempted when I get to be a wolf to go on pure crusades all game and use this as a defense


Other than that post I started quoting then deleted it all, because everything seemed to be about Jowy's posting style. I as people did at the time back then concluded noob villager, but given he has plenty of experience in games before some of the stuff he is syaing just makes no sense at all, so he cant be a noob.

Plus his change of post style (having a quick look in some civ games it seems he does know what a sentance is) I again think may be a ploy.

So as always happens day 1 to a early lead candidate the votes dropped off him, but I am thinking right now they shouldn't have

Jowy

[zakalwe]

Well, I think Brick may be lying about why he was lying. But even if he isn't, it's hard to see a case where a "lynch all liars" policy is more appropriate.

In short, I'm willing to risk a mislynch on Brick.

Really torn right now.

Who do you suspect beyond uberfish? I think my biggest issue is that you have been A) focused on slowcheetah for two days, B) not particularly discussed a bunch of other suspects except to say by process of elimination you've ruled them out and C) jumped on the MJW wagon with ease instead of staying with slowcheetah.

Day 1 I was on slowcheetah. In fact 3 people were. If you really suspected him why not push that more at the end of day 1? Or we're you saving his mislynch for the next day and jumped at the opportunity to knock off someone else in the chaos?

Today, I was considering going after Q or Uberfish, with Brick also in the back of my mind. I admit he probably would have stayed there for a while longer if Novice hadn't called attention to him, though.

Back on day 1, it was Slowcheetah, with Uberfish as a runner-up. MJW was indeed a ways down my preference list initially.

Going into the final hours on day 1, there was just you, Q, and me on Slowcheetah. Novice had moved off him, to Uberfish. And I did try to push the Slowcheetah lynch. First in the public thread, post 301. And then in the QT:

I like the idea of block voting... so long as I get to decide who we vote for. :P

Seriously, though, I'm not convinced that Pindicator is a better lynch than Slowcheetah. Although his latest post voting for me is a bit scummy.

If we think Slowcheetah is scum we shouldn't watch him, we should lynch him.

I'll take a second look, but I don't have much time.

(Or maybe those posts were in the opposite order - I can't remember.)

So we did perhaps agree that block voting was a good idea, but we couldn't agree on a target. My preference was Slowcheetah, but he never got more than the 3 votes. So then I tried Uberfish, while restating that Slowcheetah was still on the table. When we settled into a consensus on Uberfish I was ok with that. But then the MJW wagon started, and I had to decide between Pindicator and MJW. (Maybe Jowy was on the table too, but I didn't think he was a good lynch then.) Since I never saw a good case against Pindicator, and his outburst seemed genuine to me, I decided to hop on the MJW wagon. The deciding factor for me, which caused me to go against my earlier read, was that Rowain switched. I trusted him much more than Azza, so I could at least vote in a block with him. It was a split second decision, but it seemed like the best way to make my vote count.

[zakalwe]

I also admit myself somewhat suprised that only Matt is noticing/mentioning this stuff.

About this, I definitely noticed both the 1.1 vote and the +1 vote in the final tally on day 1. But I saw no reason to point it out.