WW25 - Game Thread

[Mattimeo]

I feel like you're basically saying you want to lynch me for the overall metagame.

I don't see how this is a bad thing?

It's not out of the realms of possibility that MJW had knowledge that pertained to sanity that could have been wolf-influenced.

Well, in hindsight we know that he didn't have wolf-influenced knowledge of the sanity mechanic, but we *do* know that the person who initially introduced sanity to the discussion in a major way, and whose claims MJW was basing his entire argument on, was lying about those claims.
And then, this person ends the day with the final vote against MJW?

I'm honestly not sure what this is getting at. I'm getting that novice's vote on uber cause of uber's vote on MJW cause of MJW's arguments concerning me are justified because my post restriction wasn't based on sanity?

More that a good part of the earlier case on MJW was the his 'knowledge' of the sanity mechanic - which was entirely based on our interpretations of your false claims. Are you saying that MJW would still have been the go-to last minute wagon if he hadn't attempted to extrapolate meta based on your lies?

How is that even close? I just said that if Lewwyn, the person he's indirectly asking to verify me, thinks i need to fess up more for the villages sake, then I will. Besides, if I told you the details down the the exact wording, would you even believe me? I see no need to just throw more information to the wolves unless it's necessary.

So, you're good to ask everyone else for specifics of what they uncovered the last night, but you revealing anything actually truthful about your role would be giving the wolves too much information?

...I'm starting to think there might be an actual case here, rather than just the need to kill you so we don't get idiots faking disruptive post restrictions as town in future games.

[BRickAstley]

So, you're good to ask everyone else for specifics of what they uncovered the last night, but you revealing anything actually truthful about your role would be giving the wolves too much information?

I was asking you because your role has been made completely in the open, and it's purpose is to gather information, so I was asking about it because I would think if you had anything that could give leads on a potential wolf, that would be helpful. And I have been truthful abut my role, and given you most everything about it! You know it's a vig family power. You know that it's only trigger able when sanity drops to a certain point. The only thing you don't know is exactly when I would be allowed to use it, and if you can give me a good argument how that is helpful to village without letting the wolves know all nice and wrapped up how long they can wait until they kill me then I will gladly tell you.

[novice]

Novice, why do you think this is multifactional if we only had one kill last night?

Serdoa, one of the Werewolves, died to an intervention of a god.

Azza died. He was a Ghoul.

Maybe you aren't checking the QT any more, but i asked a couple hours ago when you first noticed this. It seems a pretty important bit of evidence to be held on to.

I thought we had concluded some time ago on two factions due to the color of Azza's name - I know I had. The quote with Serdoa's name in red I didn't remember until you asked, prior to that I had just assumed that wolves would flip in red.

If you didn't think I could be a wolf yesterday, what have I done since to yank me up above Jkaen, Uberfish or Zakalwe? It's not that I think my place on this list is totally unfair, but I think there's a disconnect between what you've said about me and others, and how this list is laid out. It would be easier to understand if you gave the thinking behind your reads more, but you've been pretty reticent on that Novice.

You have done nothing (literally), and others have kept emitting villager vibes.
This feels like you're looking for a cheap excuse to lynch me.

The village really needs to pull its head out of its ass on this one. I'll be receiving an extra vote from the double voter, and if I'm lynched we'll be stuck with BRick at probable lylo tomorrow.

[Qgqqqqq]

If you didn't think I could be a wolf yesterday, what have I done since to yank me up above Jkaen, Uberfish or Zakalwe? It's not that I think my place on this list is totally unfair, but I think there's a disconnect between what you've said about me and others, and how this list is laid out. It would be easier to understand if you gave the thinking behind your reads more, but you've been pretty reticent on that Novice.

You have done nothing (literally), and others have kept emitting villager vibes.
This feels like you're looking for a cheap excuse to lynch me.

I agree with all of this.
However, I feel that you've done very little also...
I don't actually think BRick is scummy.

[novice]

Meanwhile, JKaen has started another weekend and spent his online time reviewing posts 1-300 without commenting on current affairs.

I'm off to a busy day at work.

[Qgqqqqq]

Popped in and out of lurker thread FTR.

[zakalwe]

Uberfish, this:

Ok then.

MJW

Implies to me that you were persuaded by Ichabod to trust him.

But after the lynch, you immediately posted this:

I was voting for self-preservation. What's everyone else's excuse?

Which states outright that it was purely for self-preservation, and everybody else needs to explain their votes. So why did you say "Ok then"? This may seem like a nitpick, but it's been bugging me.

[zakalwe]

I wouldbn't be at all surprised if there was wolf involvement in that last minute MJW push, but I do sympathise with the people involved. Deadline hopping is pretty fast-paced stuff, and I know its easy to get caught up in the moment. While I can see why people are suspicious of Pindicator, I can also buy his behaviour as a villager excited at having gone from 'probably going to die' to 'hey, maybe we're about to catch a wolf'.

People on the MJW train the first time through the station don't have teh adrenaline rush defence, so I'm more suspicious of them than the final voters. Skim reading back, that's Uberfish, Mattimeo, Jowy, Ichabod and Pindicator, maybe a couple of others I missed.

While I'm in nitpick mode: how do you know that, Gazglum? Have you ever been involved in a late swing of votes right before the deadline?

[uberfish]

Make sure you read the retort that I cross-posted. The analysis is flawed.

Ok Ichabod wasn't on you at the end of day 2, but I remember him being on you earlier in the day. TBH you and gazglum have been somewhat linked in my mind since you were both attacking me, have been attacked by the some of the same people (lewwyn, jowy) and so on.

(also for the love of the nameless god, someone make a scraper already, not being able to review people's posts on one page is unbearable, this forum software is a total pile of shit and why are we using it)

I might move my vote from you though, I think gazglum's reasoning has been dodgy today, and novice doesn't appear to give a damn about anyone's alignment.

Uberfish, you wanted more information. What do you think about forcing a real claim / explanation for trolling out of Jowy?

I dont have a problem with Jowy, besides the annoying posting style he is actually playing the game and producing actual arguments.

If we're forcing anyone to full claim it should be Brick. Because he's claiming a role that's meta-questionable, and it might be a good idea to lock him down to a claim so he can't make stuff up after other people reveal.

[uberfish]

Which states outright that it was purely for self-preservation, and everybody else needs to explain their votes. So why did you say "Ok then"? This may seem like a nitpick, but it's been bugging me.

The "ok then" was because I was going with the flow in order to try and save myself (without having to lynch a town read).