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Pindicator and I have agreed that its time for the world to know about our relationship. He is currently living inside my body. There didn't seem to be any reason to hide it.
Jkaen. We've had a few claims now, and I think he has to be the double voter. Obviously nobody else can verify that for sure, but I can promise that my own tastes do not run that way. The only other possibility is that Novice put a vote on himself as his last act of spite.
One (minor) point in Lewwyn's favour - I think the idea that he is an undead hunter does make a bit of sense if Pindi really is town and also a ghost. That would give Lewwyn 2 (?) scum targets and 1 town target he could potentially hit.
I might not be able to post again tonight, but I'll be bouncing back tomorrow now that the bulk of the move is done.
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(June 30th, 2013, 02:59)Gazglum Wrote: Pindicator and I have agreed that its time for the world to know about our relationship. He is currently living inside my body. There didn't seem to be any reason to hide it.
Jkaen. We've had a few claims now, and I think he has to be the double voter. Obviously nobody else can verify that for sure, but I can promise that my own tastes do not run that way. The only other possibility is that Novice put a vote on himself as his last act of spite.
One (minor) point in Lewwyn's favour - I think the idea that he is an undead hunter does make a bit of sense if Pindi really is town and also a ghost. That would give Lewwyn 2 (?) scum targets and 1 town target he could potentially hit.
I might not be able to post again tonight, but I'll be bouncing back tomorrow now that the bulk of the move is done.
You are voting for me, because based on a partial process of elimination (as far as I am aware everybody else has not claimed yet) you think I might be a power role that might be scum....
That's pretty tenuous isn't it?
Compared for example to lewwyn who has been caught it seems in a lie regarding his power and has seen to have killed somebody
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(June 30th, 2013, 03:18)Jkaen Wrote: You are voting for me, because based on a partial process of elimination (as far as I am aware everybody else has not claimed yet) you think I might be a power role that might be scum....
That's pretty tenuous isn't it?
Compared for example to lewwyn who has been caught it seems in a lie regarding his power and has seen to have killed somebody
Most people have claimed, though:
Q: Tiebreaker
Pindicator: quicktopic ghosty person
Zak: Gossiper
Uber: flavour seer and 1-shot vig
Brick: 2 shot vig when things get crazy
Lewwyn: Ghostbuster
Mattimeo: tracker
Jowy: vanilla town
Gazglum: unclaimed, but I am not the double voter
Jkaen: unclaimed
I'm not saying Lewwyn has my trust and love, but other people are riding that horse pretty hard right now, and I think after cruising by for 3 days you're deserving of some pressure.
If you don't want to claim anything, and I can understand there are reasons you might not, how about a hypothetical. Do you think the double voter is likely to be scum?
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This is so frustrating on my phone because I can't quote well.
Jkaen it's a possible theory I'm not saying that its a fact. No kills last night? One kill the night before? Does that sound like two factions? I'm spitballing it because I think it's a possibility. Doesn't seem like your boring for me for any o ther reason. Can't think of anything? Maybe because you are scum. I honestly believe that you are and that you've exaggerated your Internet and activity issues.
Über fish read what you bolded again. Why would I say "I didn't go to kill him. I didn't go to protect him" ? Maybe because when I went to Azza those were the two things that COULD have happened with my power? Maybe I was breadcrumbing that I didn't know what would happen when I went there?
And why was I mad at Matt? You say it's because I was scum. But what if I were a villager you don't think I'd be upset? Me and my villager role just got revealed at the cost of another (probable) village reveal. It was bad play by Matt if he was a villager to out someone who killed on the first night.
Matt saw me go somewhere on night 2 and if he followed me night 3 he saw me again. I didn't kill anyone and its not because I was role blocked or hit someone protected.
Just go back and read the full exchange between me and Matt at the beginning of day 2. Read it with a perspective of my role.
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(June 30th, 2013, 02:59)Gazglum Wrote: One (minor) point in Lewwyn's favour - I think the idea that he is an undead hunter does make a bit of sense if Pindi really is town and also a ghost. That would give Lewwyn 2 (?) scum targets and 1 town target he could potentially hit. If we consider Lewwyn's primary role to be a partial doctor, and the fact it kills the faction he would be protecting against if he targets them directly a balance for the fact the protection is only partially effective (doesn't save from wolves, doesn't save from town vigs), the ability makes more sense.
Disagree with the 'there are only ghouls' argument for a similar reason: it would make Lewwyn's role very strong - to the point where I'd consider it only possible to be fabricated, not included in the game by the GM.
So, scum factions are either 3-2 or 2-2. Agreed with the numerous people who've said 3-3 seems much too large for a 16 player game.
If 2-2: possible to be mirrored? That would imply there *is* a double of Lewwyn's role out there (probably MJW or Ichabod, from elimination), that the double vote is most likely sourced from town (who played it poorly the first day or two, possibly Jkaen who was querying why double vote being split == scum), and that zak is the wolf portion of the 3-way neighbours thread.
If it's 2-2, but not mirrored, then most of that goes out the window. Double vote is probably wolf, from its usage and there's a slight village tell on zak for actually bringing up the 3-way neighbour thread.
If 3-2, which has the three? Novice's last post in the QT with pindicator, when he was definitely lynched, was suspiciously helpful for someone whose team is about to be eliminated from the game, losing hope at victory. 3 ghouls, then? Might explain why Lewwyn's role targets them rather than wolves.
Wolves having 3 would seem to be a default assumption, given the game is Werewolf. Haven't seen much evidence to support this, but then, we also haven't seen much evidence of werewolves in general...
(June 30th, 2013, 00:44)Gazglum Wrote: I don't think the logic is questionable at all. It's like one of my old high school maths problems. If you reach into your sock drawer and pull out two ghouls and no wolves it's a good assumption that there were more ghouls than wolves in there. Especially considering that we didn't get Novice through any tells from his interactions with Azza.
Sure, we could have just happened to get the only two ghouls in the game. I just thought it was more likely that we had hit 2/3. I didn't quite get why other people seemed so quick to assume that all the ghouls were dead. How about a more accurate comparison: if I flip 10 coins in a row, and tell you the first 3 landed on heads, what's the chance of the 4th one being tails?
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Gazglum's argument against Jkaen makes sense to me. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Jowy has a confessn to make, either.
I missed the part of Lewwyn's claim that lets him protect, skimming too fast. I can believe his breadcrumbing. For now, at least.
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Kill analysis:
Night 1: Rowain, Azza.
Azza confirmed to be Lewwyn, no leads on Rowain
Night 2: Ichabod
Night 3: None
Assuming 2 scum factions, we've had some bloody successful doctors. Had a save (or double-up kill) each night, assuming both wolves and ghouls killed every night. Lewwyn could not have saved someone N1; someone else saved the last target. Could've been Lewwyn on N2. Wasn't Lewwyn on N3 unless we actually do have more than 2 ghouls - and the flavour text seems to imply the ghoul faction has been killed off:
(June 28th, 2013, 13:05)Serdoa Wrote: "I think you lose Xorthos" said the god without name. Basically, if there are wolves out there, the doctor that has been saving our arses is not Lewwyn. Except for maybe N2.
Also found justification for novice being 'helpful' in the flavour text:
(June 28th, 2013, 13:05)Serdoa Wrote: "Not so quick, not so quick. I haven't lost before you have not won."
"But... well, I suppose you are right." Maybe ghouls win with wolves? Would support the stated victory conditions (only one entry for scum).
Other option is for Lewwyn to be a wolf himself. Tracked killing Azza N1, came up with a quick 'vig' justification which has been slowly morphing into something that seems more like a doctor as he figures out what breadcrumbs to drop next. N2 and N3 still probably had a doctor, though, so this option is definitely not much 'neater' than Lewwyn being truthful.
Another point against Lewwyn being wolf is that I observed him visiting someone on N2, and that person did not die. Given he specifically *asked* me to track him that night, it's exceedingly unlikely he was engaging in a kill and was only unsuccessful because of a doctor. So Lewwyn definitely has an ability that allows him to visit people, that doesn't always result in their deaths - exactly what he's claimed.
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Good analysis, Matt. To repeat my earlier thought: Maybe force Jowy to claim (again)? Might be necessary I order to lock down his claim, given that this town doesn't enforce a "lynch all liars" policy.
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We have two people who've not claimed *anything*, and what definitely appears to be an undiscovered protective role out there. I don't know that forcing a claim out of either Jkaen or Gazglum is necessarily something we should be pressing at this point - at least some ambiguity as to who prevented the kill last night would be useful, I should think.
On the other hand, given the revelation that Lewwyn's ability only detects ghouls, not wolves, I can't see any reason not to reveal that I tracked him to Jowy on N2. Any particular reason for visiting Jowy, Lewwyn?
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