WW25 - Game Thread

[Gazglum]

I forget did Brick claim he knew at what value his gets stronger (as opposed to Gazglums who claims not to know)

Brick said below 10. I don't know about mine, hence the uncertainty of how long its worth using.

[Jkaen]

That difference jumped out to me, but thinking it through your power makes more sense as an unknown, and brick kind of needs to know when he can use his, so maybe its nothing.

[zakalwe]

Congratulations, Lewwyn.

Gazglum's claim is enough for me to switch to Brick.

[Jowy]

pindicator, did brick know you would target gazglum?

[Qgqqqqq]

ah that is unfortunate, thought i came up with theory that wins us game.
still think the odds are high of it working though.

what are typical wolf role?

Odds are very, very low actually - in a high power game like this I expect all of the wolves to have (at least) weak roles.
Examples include: Neighbor, tracker, strongman, roleseer, devil, mayor (), doublevote - the list goes on.

I dont think the power [doublevoter] leans either way, and I think trying to meta a role out like this is very dangerous

I think double voter is very likely to be scum. Given I know my innocence, the likelehood of symmetry for a wolf vote booster is very high, and the voting not matching votes strongly supports that IMO.
Its much, (MUCH) less dangerous then meta-ing something like number of factions, or assuming zak is a wolf based on the QT. I find your opposition to something as minor as this interesting - are you a doublevoter? Because the assertion that its dangerous to meta such a role is suprising to me, as you've shown no shame in metaing other more important stuff.

unvote - I'm not sure I believe Gazglum, but there are unfortunately a few protector-possible roles out there (I'm assuming JKaen is some form of protective role - could you please claim JKaen, now that everyone is out in the open?) so we can't be certain.
The paranoia in me is screaming of a uberfish-Gazglum pairing going all in, but I think its worth waiting to hear whats said.

If we wait on Gazglum, then who?
If I believe Gazglum then its Jowy/Jkaen but I'm really not sure.

Q I did not prevent the night kill
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I wasn't suggesting you were one, I was thinking about you as a wolf/lynch candidate.

Jkaen could you please claim.
Anyone else ommiting details from their role (like a factional kill ), I think now is time to claim.

[Jowy]

okay i see problem with gaz speak true theory. jkaen did not prevent night kill.
so if gaz speak true, there is no explanation for night 3 no kill.
if we believe gaz, that there was some unknown reason for night 3 no kill, then lynch brick.
any idea what unknown reason could be?

[Jowy]

also to correct earlier, if we believe gaz and lynch brick, and brick villager, it only lead to gaz caught as wolf. no reason to lynch jkaen if that happen, i made mistake there.

[Jkaen]

Well I still am thinking one of the vig people are lying

Jkaen (3) - Gazglum, Pindicator, Qg,
Brick (3) - Jowy, Zak, Jkaen,
Gazglum (2) - Lewwyn, uberfish,

No vote - Brick, Mattimeo,

Given bricks power seems far too strong for a late game, and from dodgy posts like 1063, I will go there (above tally reflects Brick)

[uberfish]

Congrats Lewwyn!

Jowy: Lewwyn isn't cleared because he coudl have been a wolf that used some other ability on night 2 that isn't killling. Also I'm not alignment linked to brick. I believe the flavour that he is gunmaker's apprentice is true, but also that he's playing against the village. Because village gaining 2 kills from the lowered sanity just doesn't make much sense.

I've read the claim and I still think we should lynch Gazglum due to pind's block result. To be honest I don't think he could have claimed anything that would change my opinion on this. Wolves by now have enough information to construct a plausible sounding claim. And it's just too much of a coincidence that Gaz, who was scummy anyway, was blocked and a night kill was prevented.

[Jkaen]

Well seems I can't put it off much longer, so I will have to role claim, and watch you all mislynch me for it.

I am the double voter.

Day 1 - As always nobody is really sure of anything day 1 so I put my spare vote on my second choice for being lynched, plus I wanted to see and read what reactions people had tot he double vote.

Day 2 - I missed all the key arguments, but if you recall when I came back I was told it was pretty much a choice between zak or slowcheetah as to who was scum. Hence given that I spread my votes between the two of them.

Day 3 - I was active again and had followed the arguments, hence I doubled my own vote.

Dont see anything scummy about how I have used my vote, and was surprised when people started to say it was clearly a scum power.

That was obviously also the reason why I didnt claim early, because I saw me claiming as basically signing my own death warrant, however I think if I dont claim today the same thing will happen, so you may as well have the info.

As a minor footnote, sanity has no effect on my power