WW25 - Game Thread

[Jkaen]

You mean you fully knew you were being annoying? Why on earth would you do that.

As for wolf tells on me, my activity on weekend is very standard, ask a vet. Me being called away to site less so but not unheard of.

The one time I was a wolf I had the most village cred of everybody, so the confused wolf thing is wrong, I just missed a bit too much of the game

My double vote use and reveal I have already fully explained in what I taught was reasonable detail

[BRickAstley]

So yeah, I guess no point in writing like a retard anymore. Sorry about it, both for being annoying and distracting. At least it didn't cost us the game. Even if I'm wrong about how you guys react, and you do end up killing me for this, we will still have a good shot at winning. Mainly thanks to Pindicator's perfect game Let's not let his efforts go to waste.

I wanna be mad but I'm the one with the least justification to be so.

[uberfish]

qg:
- has not done anything scummy that i could see, has been helpful
- however, kinda hard to read. either really great liar or villager. i think lying this good and long has very low chance, so i tend to think villager.

Not sure I understand this point. What would Q have been lying about specifically?

[Jowy]

qg:
- has not done anything scummy that i could see, has been helpful
- however, kinda hard to read. either really great liar or villager. i think lying this good and long has very low chance, so i tend to think villager.

Not sure I understand this point. What would Q have been lying about specifically?

Just in general. He's been pretty helpful, sharing his opinions regularly and has added into discussion. If he was a wolf, he's been doing a good job making his posts seem legit. Like I said, I didn't find anything particularly scummy about him. The reason he is above Matt, Lewwyn and yourself in my lynch order, is because he lacks specifics and has been flying somewhat under the radar.

If you've made it this far without giving away scum tells, you are either a villager (high chance) or a very good liar.

[Jowy]

I really doubt BRick is SK.
If he is he got the worst role out of the lot, even if he does have kill immunity as well.
No, I think its either 2 or 1 wolves.

I don't like that Jowy leaps on the easiest cases (in practical order of ease).
unvote

Yeah, there might not be a SK at all. But wouldn't a game with a "sanity" mechanic be the perfect game to have one? This is meta-gamey, which might not be my expertise, but it would be kinda strange to not see sanity play a bigger role in the game than it has. If Brick's claimed vigilante ability had to be limited until late-game, it could have been implemented the same way as Jkaen's double vote. Just make it start working when there are X players left. Thought was put into making the RP fun and clever. Uberfish's druid ability has him speak to animals to gain information. Makes sense as a thing to lower sanity, doesn't it?

I do admit that I could be wrong. I was wrong about Zak. I thought there was no way a villager would play like he did. Sometimes when people are being odd or crazy, they are just being odd and crazy, and there's no underlying reason for it.

[Qgqqqqq]

Serdoa said not to overread the meta.
You're assuming that sanity must play a big part, and USING THAT ALONE coming to the conclusion that there must be a SK.
You ignore the kill problems.
You ignore how crazily weak such a faction would be in this game.
You use this as justification to vote for (or leave yourself open to vote for) a extremely easy lynch, someone who has attracted an large amount of suspicion for meta reasons (and his own stupidity ) while playing townish and devoting a large amount of time in making cases and was the lynch candidate alongside known scum.
Jowy
I realise I may be leaping on your meta feeling, do lets look at the big post:

- ability not make sense.. but does it? if he is serial killer it does. sanity goes low enough, brick go insane and become serial killer. suddenly ability make perfect sense.

No it doesn't. SK is a really, really weak role - you're on your own against the world, with everyone wanting you dead. Thus we make SK the most powerful roles...BRick on the other hand, isn't even able to kill from game start.
This is also meta.

- explains complex read everyone has on brick.

No it doesn't - people have a complex read on BRick because they're fixated on his PR faking, and ignoring his actual play. It doesn't even work with the Brick was blocked N1 meta, meaning it basically assumes Lewwyn is also guilty...

- explains fake PR. read zak good post #745. it didnt make perfect sense back then because zak thinks brick wolf. but if brick serial killer, it's spot on.

Does it explain his revealing it? (I haven't had a chance to reread #745 though)
Why fake a restriction, and then reveal it at the worst possible time for himself?
And why not connect it to sanity, so as to avoid blame.

I see this as a simple attempt to either open to a easy mislynch (that jowy avoids responsibility for by joining late) or set up one for tomorrow.
jowy

[Jowy]

Serdoa said not to meta his phrasing because he's not a native English speaker. He said nothing about over-reading the meta.
I've also never said that there must be a SK. I've said that in my opinion the most plausible explanation for Brick's actions is that his role is a serial killer.
I've not ignored the "kill problems", I clearly said that the kills will kick in once sanity is low enough, if there is a SK.
I really don't understand how Brick is an easy lynch. In my opinion Zak was the last easy lynch, thus my comment earlier saying "it can't bee this easy, can it?"

Brick being SK does not mean Lewwyn is a wolf. Not sure how you got to that conclusion. As I believe you said it yourself earlier, there are too many variables to it. Wolves and ghouls could have doubled up on Rowain, there were more villagers around whose roles we don't know etc. In fact it's kinda weird how you've completely changed your mind on that. Before you were saying that we can't do a lewwyn/brick mechanics kill, but now you are using that as a point against me.

I just got out of saying how I haven't seen any scum tells from you, then you write a post that completely twists my words and flat out lies in half of it's sentences. Even worse, you want to ignore everything I've done for the team and just kill me off because I was possibly wrong about one person's alignment? Now that is very odd.

[BRickAstley]

I've got to leave town now, so I think I'm going to have to leave my vote for today on Mattimeo. Something his play has felt somewhat off, and a tracker watcher guy staying alive this long for the village is perplexing. I feel like it's the best chance we have at this point, which admittedly isn't a big one, I feel very confused at this point.

Be back next game day, good luck village.

[uberfish]

I don't like that we're hung up on meta now, but then again so am I, didn't have time to reread today...

Don't know if we are looking at a SK win condition necessarily; Could be neutral survivor.

Regarding Q's attack on Jowy though for using SK lines of reasoning... it seems a bit off. after all I've been floating the theory that there might be a triggered SK for a while now and Q never argued with it before. and jowy as a new player to RBWW wouldn't really be expected to know about the balance implications of third party roles.

[Lewwyn]

Ok what's the tally? We seriously need to have a bit more discussion and a consensus here.