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Or do we need slavery+OR to finish Kremlin on timely fashion? If we end up being in a race with Gillette.
I can't make up my mind, but I feel State Property + Slavery + OR might be for the best after all.
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I'm still reading...I like slavery + SP + OR late game.
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Feel free to play the turn, Plako. I'm a bit pressed for time.
If you know what I mean.
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Update - I should have time to play in two hours or so.
If you know what I mean.
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 Did already.
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Heh, thanks for playing, Plako.
(July 11th, 2013, 02:29)plako Wrote: So basically Kremlin decreases whip costs 33%. This means ~50% more hammers/whip (Not this simple since also other multipliers affect to this). So typical 1 pop whips are (Civ does trunc to all these, but decimals are needed to evaluate slaving with more than 1 pop involved):
So actually, what you're saying is that it is that simple, right? The Kremlin bonus is multiplicative with the other set of multipliers, so you just multiply by 1/0.67 after calculating the hammers in the usual way. Which means it's pretty awesome - a huge modifier!
Anyway, I think you had one typo, and adding one more entry gives the following:
* Normal 30 (yeah I know  )
* Forge or Police state 42.5 37.5
* Kremlin 44.77 (i.e. 30/0.67)
* Forge and Police state 45
* Kremlin + either Forge or Police state 55.97
* Kremlin + both Forge and Police state 67.16
If you know what I mean.
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So under state property, but before biology, watermills are just straight up better than riverside farms, right? So replace all that aren't needed for irrigation chaining. Something for our workers to do. (We might even need more workers?)
If you know what I mean.
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Yeah. That should be it and Kremlin is huge when you plan to whip a lot and that is indeed wat we're going to do. We've a big production advantage. btw. I've also forget the 10% from State Property so yet another hammer boost for whipping there and this would be our current best estimate for whip values
* Normal 30 (yeah I know wink)
* Forge or Police state + State Property 40.5
* Kremlin + state property 49.25 (i.e. 33/0.67)
* Forge and Police state + state property 48
* Kremlin + either Forge or Police state 60.44
* Kremlin + both Forge and Police state 71.64
July 11th, 2013, 15:31
(This post was last modified: July 11th, 2013, 15:33 by plako.)
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Good point concerning watermills. Also we might be in a race to finish Kremlin. Not sure if Deerslayer or BM would be better to build it. I would hate to be forced to whip BM to get it faster. Few workers more could be good too so I set Salty Dog to build 1 maybe some other place could be dedicated to that too.
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We could cash rush the Kremlin. /outsidethebox
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