WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Lady Elizabeth]

Lots of stuff happened so time for a huge post.

First Percival's posts are not good enough to for me to switch off of alone. They are just short weak attacks on me for no good reason and random spam.

In response to post #89 Percival's position on that list is questionable. It's unclear if he is playing seriously at all. If he is not playing seriously maybe he would not have followed the metagame discussion. That said he should have an eye kept on for reasons I've said above.

Widow, I didn't sign up in this game to play as a female character. The advertising post didn't say that there would be a gender ratio of around 50/50. It just said you would be given a avatar and a fake name. The only female to play werewolf here was pling. I like talking about the meta-game to. The advertising post said nothing about stopping metagame talking (save for not using what happened in earlier werewolf games). Just that no-one would be judged on what happened in earlier games. I feel I have not broken an unofficial rules.

I have to point out that in my first post I said that I would not push at all for people to reveal their real names. Because that would undermine the point of the entire game.

Everyone please stop saying that the wolfs could somehow mess up a claim of real names. I feel the only way that they can mess them up would be to counter-claim the name. This is very silly for reasons I 've pointed out and an addition it would be very hard for a wolf to act like the person he is counter-claiming. This bad logic makes me irrationally angry. The town would not be safer but would have more information.

The other two points for Sarah's attack against me is Muriel sticking up for me and my "softrole" claim. Well, Muriel stuck up for me because she think's I'm a villager for metagame reasons. And it is bad to roleclaim plain-villager unless pressed. This is because it increases the chance of the WWs killing a power-role. For example in the mafia-theme werewolf game the werewolfs were able to find the seer by process of elimination.

The fact that Rob is ripping into Muriel and she's not reacting "unhappily/annoyed" is slightly scummy.

That's it for now!

[Sir Percival]

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

[Sir Percival]

First Percival's posts are not good enough to for me to switch off of alone. They are just short weak attacks on me for no good reason and random spam.

In response to post #89 Percival's position on that list is questionable. It's unclear if he is playing seriously at all. If he is not playing seriously maybe he would not have followed the metagame discussion. That said he should have an eye kept on for reasons I've said above.

Liz, dont doubt i take this serious. i want to help village. but i also roleplay for fun.

Everyone please stop saying that the wolfs could somehow mess up a claim of real names. I feel the only way that they can mess them up would be to counter-claim the name. This is very silly for reasons I 've pointed out and an addition it would be very hard for a wolf to act like the person he is counter-claiming. This bad logic makes me irrationally angry. The town would not be safer but would have more information.

agree claiming names is silly and no help.

[Lady Elizabeth]

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

I don't think is talking about what the wolfs know the villagers win condition. She is talking about what the wolfs know what is inside the villager's PM.

[Sir Percival]

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

I don't think is talking about what the wolfs know the villagers win condition. She is talking about what the wolfs know what is inside the villager's PM.

after ww22? wear someone scum caught for using word town not village i expect gms give vanilla village pm to scum. bad line of reasoning either way

[Lady Elizabeth]

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

I don't think is talking about what the wolfs know the villagers win condition. She is talking about what the wolfs know what is inside the villager's PM.

after ww22? wear someone scum caught for using word town not village i expect gms give vanilla village pm to scum. bad line of reasoning either way

This and what happened hear are not exactly the same at all. It is very plausible that Brick made a mistake. What really pushes it to plausible to likely is that Brick would have posted the village PM in the opening post. This is the standard way to prevent this problem. The other way is non-standard and favors the wolfs over the town for no good reason, instead of being neutral. Remember Brick makes mistakes like this regularly. In the mafia game he told the wolfs "you found nothing to steal" instead of "no result".

[Muriel The Slow]

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

He described the information in the role-PM exactly like I would have done. Yes, he could be a wolf who made an incredibly dumb and risky move and got incredibly lucky to get it right. Yes, the game master might have created traps and such to prevent meta gaming. Those are both options that should not be discounted. But I believe him and for a Day 1 lead this is worth following.

[Lady Elizabeth]

I have to point out that creating a metagame trap, by posting the village pm in the wolf thread, is not Brick's style at all...

[Bert The Bard]

Okay, about Lady Liz. This is stupid, but my vote for Lady Liz was actually a joke, the simplest way to concisely pin him not as Lady Liz, not as Courage, but as MJW.

Upon reading his post the meta clearing of him did in fact jump at me immediately, as I had already noticed the same fact from my own role pm. So my internal conclusion from Lady Elizabeth's first post was in fact that she was innocent. Therefore Widow Edith's followup vote on Lady Liz jumped at me, and my joke vote morphed into a "plan". I described it as such to save time and bandwidth - I was playing from the phone. The plan of course was simply to see if anybody else failed to see that Lady Liz was a very likely villager.

Sidetracking a bit, I do think LL is a very likely villager, Fat Rose and Sir Percival. I'm pretty certain that the GM would have posted the villager role PM in the game thread if he had thought of it, he wouldn't have provided it in the wolf QT. When the game started, I asked the GM to post the villager win condition in the thread, since I had spotted the potential meta problem with the villager role PM. (I should have asked him to post a full vanilla PM). In response the GM edited this info into the opening post. (This happened after Lady Liz's post.) So it seems to me that the GM hadn't provided scum with the village win condition in any other channels.

So yeah, that is a complete meta argument which some people hate, but we can't unlearn that info once LL has used it. If you dislike it, don't blame me for pointing it out, blame the GM for not guarding against it.

Back on track:
Myself, Widow Edith, Sir Percival and Easy Sarah voted LL.
* Widow Edith gave political reasons for voting LL. It's not clear to me whether perceived scumminess factored into the vote
* Sir Percival doesn't believe the meta clears LL.
* Easy Sarah needs to explain her vote.

I'm not sure why scum would vote LL after the meta argument in her favour was pointed out, so that counts in SP and ES's favour. In other words, a finger of suspicion on Widow Edith, apart from that I'm not sure the LL incident tells us much except that LL is likely town.

Giant crosspost.

[Sir Percival]

sigh just throw the game with stupid meta bs then.