WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Sister Mary]

Can you quote the part about power roles, because that doesn't talk about power roles at all. It's just speculation that if last names turn out to be a gameplay mechanic, there needs to be more information on how they work. Chances are, some of us already possess that information, else it wouldn't make much sense to have a gameplay mechanic that no-one knows how it works. You seem to think that I've at some point said that only power roles have a last name, but that is a blatant lie.

If last names are not connected to power roles, you implied they could be connected to role/alignment, right?

If so, consider the information the village posseses as of now: Courage, when LE, claimed to have a last name; Agnes, the Orphan, no last name; Short-Richard, last name. Courage, though not cleared by any means, I consider to lean village. By this logic, Agnes, with her cute orphan reasoned arguments, leaning village, would have to be scum, right? (No tell either way on Short-Richard). Still, it would make sense if the orphan girl didn't have a last name, at least from the setup.

What I mean and from what I can gather, last names must be a null tell, at least as of now.
We cannot base our lynch in such logic, or at least I considered it a sure way towards a mislynch.

Muriel, what connection, if any, you suspect lies in the existance/absence of last names.

@Rob: The narrator added the descrpition some hours ago.

[Muriel The Slow]

You seem to think that I've at some point said that only power roles have a last name, but that is a blatant lie.

You specifically said that they

They might be used by a role or multiple roles, or they could be part of other gameplay at some point.

Multiple roles and gameplay affecting roles implies more than just vanilla roles. So again its not a blatant lie. You're trying to cover up what you said and dismiss it.

Yes, I said they could be used by a role. That does not mean that every single power role has a last name, or that any power role has a last name, or that a role who does use the last names has a last name himself. All it says is that there might be a role or more out there who have information on how the gameplay mechanic works.

[Agnes The Orphan]

@Muriel: you say you aren't considering the profile names to be of any read, but that last names could be (which you the say we shouldn't discuss etc.) - right?
But in this post you say:

The names are following a theme of names you could find in small village of this era, with some humor thrown in the mix.

{BTW, I agree with this}
Isn't that a direct contrast - at the same time the first names being given are simply RP (themed and appropriate, bit of humor) and last names are suddenly a massive secret that has direct relation to role??? (I also can't see how that would work - only one that springs to mind is Smith for vigilante...)
What do you mean there???

Anyway, I actually find myself more suspicious of Know-Nothing Jon.
Basically, he contributes very little to discussion while still egging it on (e.g. where he states that Muriels point on Saul is good as well) and seems to be defending Muriel/exacerbating the discussion without actually contributing.
For another example, his "good case" on Harry basically just says opening post was thestickish - and later says that it is reminiscent of thesticks opening post in ONE GAME, and expect us to interpret that simply off the statement. Same goes for scum Gazglum - who there's hardly an established meta of how Gaz plays given that's simply one game. Besides, I viewed the scum Gaz as playing without great energy, not contributing greatly in thread and not fitting the established meta of Gazglum. I don't see that as applying in that situation at all really..
But anyway, lack of contribution/seems to be cheerleading the confrontation around Muriel makes me think Know-Nothing Jon

Possible xpost

[Muriel The Slow]

He described the information in the role-PM exactly like I would have done. Yes, he could be a wolf who made an incredibly dumb and risky move and got incredibly lucky to get it right. Yes, the game master might have created traps and such to prevent meta gaming. Those are both options that should not be discounted. But I believe him and for a Day 1 lead this is worth following.

Open question to everyone since this affects both Muriel and Percival and Elizabeth. There is a vanilla role PM in the Rules post. Was that there at the beginning of the game? I didn't check until I read this post.

You are busy riding a crusade on me, but you haven't even read the thread? Brick said that he edited it in. It not being there in the beginning was a big part of Bert the Bard's theory.

[Agnes The Orphan]

By this logic, Agnes, with her cute orphan reasoned arguments, leaning village, would have to be scum, right?

Cute orphan girl doesnt eat people

I agree with the rest of this post FTR

@Muriel not having checked first post =/= not having read the thread

[Simple Anne]

I'm really busy today in the farm. I'll try to discuss politics tomorrow.

[Muriel The Slow]

Can you quote the part about power roles, because that doesn't talk about power roles at all. It's just speculation that if last names turn out to be a gameplay mechanic, there needs to be more information on how they work. Chances are, some of us already possess that information, else it wouldn't make much sense to have a gameplay mechanic that no-one knows how it works. You seem to think that I've at some point said that only power roles have a last name, but that is a blatant lie.

If last names are not connected to power roles, you implied they could be connected to role/alignment, right?

If so, consider the information the village posseses as of now: Courage, when LE, claimed to have a last name; Agnes, the Orphan, no last name; Short-Richard, last name. Courage, though not cleared by any means, I consider to lean village. By this logic, Agnes, with her cute orphan reasoned arguments, leaning village, would have to be scum, right? (No tell either way on Short-Richard). Still, it would make sense if the orphan girl didn't have a last name, at least from the setup.

What I mean and from what I can gather, last names must be a null tell, at least as of now.
We cannot base our lynch in such logic, or at least I considered it a sure way towards a mislynch.

Muriel, what connection, if any, you suspect lies in the existance/absence of last names.

@Rob: The narrator added the descrpition some hours ago.

They are connected to your role. I'll clear up the terminology, because it seems not all share my definitions.

Alignment = Villager, Werewolf, 3rd party...
Role = Vanilla, Tiebreaker, Gossiper...
Power Role = Seer, Baner...

Some might rank other roles as power roles that I don't, but the point is that those are the strong roles that the wolves want to kill as soon as they can.

[Rob The Filch]

He described the information in the role-PM exactly like I would have done. Yes, he could be a wolf who made an incredibly dumb and risky move and got incredibly lucky to get it right. Yes, the game master might have created traps and such to prevent meta gaming. Those are both options that should not be discounted. But I believe him and for a Day 1 lead this is worth following.

Open question to everyone since this affects both Muriel and Percival and Elizabeth. There is a vanilla role PM in the Rules post. Was that there at the beginning of the game? I didn't check until I read this post.

You are busy riding a crusade on me, but you haven't even read the thread? Brick said that he edited it in. It not being there in the beginning was a big part of Bert the Bard's theory.

Again you attack me. Obviously I miseds the one sentence Brick added to the end of his tally after he said it was moving day. That is why I asked. Did I attack you for what you said on the subject earlier? No. I simply said that I wanted clarification because I did not know if it was edited in or not. I have read every post in this thread, but if you wish me to believe that you have read every post in this thread with the same intensity then I reflect the name of liar back upon you.

[Agnes The Orphan]

Realms Beyond doesn't normally (and therefore probably not in this game) see any difference between role and power role, except that power role is a subset of role which includes all except vanilla.
Example: say Doctor Saul is a Tiebreaker. That would be viewed as both his role, and his power role.(alignment we agree on). If LE is vanilla then that would be her role but not a power role.

Why do you think something like baner would not be connected, while something like gossiper would - and what sort of last name would you expect gossiper to have?

[Rob The Filch]

And FYI that last attack Muriel is the sort of desperate wolf mudslinging that makes me confident you are indeed a wolf.