WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Agnes The Orphan]

Oh and keep it cool guys, its just a game, there's no need to be aggressive about it.

As an addendum to the last; role can also be used for what their position is within the village - for example Doctor Saul, even though that (almost certainly) has no ramifications on the actual game.

[Doctor Saul]

Alignment = Villager, Werewolf, 3rd party...
Role = Vanilla, Tiebreaker, Gossiper...
Power Role = Seer, Baner...

You attack me over the semantics between power role and role? Don't you see that even if you eliminate people from one group that helps lessen the number of candidates for another? Are you slow, or something?

And even if you meant Role instead of ANYTHING, the fact is that the argument is that you threw that out there and backed down. Instead you are trying to tie it to whether I meant a specific type of role or not -- which is silly! I am saying that you were trying to find ANY kind of information. And you don't refute it, you just split hairs.

No, I think you are not slow. You are scum, trying to split hairs in order to get away.

[Muriel The Slow]

@Muriel: you say you aren't considering the profile names to be of any read, but that last names could be (which you the say we shouldn't discuss etc.) - right?
But in this post you say:

The names are following a theme of names you could find in small village of this era, with some humor thrown in the mix.

{BTW, I agree with this}
Isn't that a direct contrast - at the same time the first names being given are simply RP (themed and appropriate, bit of humor) and last names are suddenly a massive secret that has direct relation to role??? (I also can't see how that would work - only one that springs to mind is Smith for vigilante...)
What do you mean there???

Anyway, I actually find myself more suspicious of Know-Nothing Jon.
Basically, he contributes very little to discussion while still egging it on (e.g. where he states that Muriels point on Saul is good as well) and seems to be defending Muriel/exacerbating the discussion without actually contributing.
For another example, his "good case" on Harry basically just says opening post was thestickish - and later says that it is reminiscent of thesticks opening post in ONE GAME, and expect us to interpret that simply off the statement. Same goes for scum Gazglum - who there's hardly an established meta of how Gaz plays given that's simply one game. Besides, I viewed the scum Gaz as playing without great energy, not contributing greatly in thread and not fitting the established meta of Gazglum. I don't see that as applying in that situation at all really..
But anyway, lack of contribution/seems to be cheerleading the confrontation around Muriel makes me think Know-Nothing Jon

Possible xpost

Correct, profile names are useless, last names might be part of gameplay. They are secret, that is a fact. They were not given to us when we received our profiles, but they were given to us when we received our roles. That is, if you were given one. I don't know what part they might play, I have no inside information. I'd suspect that the name itself is not anything valuable, but perhaps the relations? There could be a player with an alternate victory condition to eliminate a certain family, or maybe someone gets info that 1/4 of each family is a werewolf. No-one take those suggestions seriously btw, because it's just examples of what it could be. Which brings me to my original point; Yes, last names might be part of gameplay. No, we don't have enough information to gain anything out of them for now. So let's not reveal anything more from our role-PM's and let's not start metaing this.

Realms Beyond doesn't normally (and therefore probably not in this game) see any difference between role and power role, except that power role is a subset of role which includes all except vanilla.
Example: say Doctor Saul is a Tiebreaker. That would be viewed as both his role, and his power role.(alignment we agree on). If LE is vanilla then that would be her role but not a power role.

Why do you think something like baner would not be connected, while something like gossiper would - and what sort of last name would you expect gossiper to have?

Sorry then, I was not familiar with this. Also for further clarification, when I say roles, it included both power roles and the rest. I'm starting to realize how terribly confusing it must have been to read some of my posts, and for that I apologize. In any case, it was never my intention to keep discussing meta, in fact the whole point was to get the meta out of the way so we can focus on the good stuff.

And FYI that last attack Muriel is the sort of desperate wolf mudslinging that makes me confident you are indeed a wolf.

Every single post you've made has been an attack against me. If you are a villager, and have actually read the thread as you claim, then maybe it's time you start posting your other thoughts for a change.

[Muriel The Slow]

Alignment = Villager, Werewolf, 3rd party...
Role = Vanilla, Tiebreaker, Gossiper...
Power Role = Seer, Baner...

You attack me over the semantics between power role and role? Don't you see that even if you eliminate people from one group that helps lessen the number of candidates for another? Are you slow, or something?

And even if you meant Role instead of ANYTHING, the fact is that the argument is that you threw that out there and backed down. Instead you are trying to tie it to whether I meant a specific type of role or not -- which is silly! I am saying that you were trying to find ANY kind of information. And you don't refute it, you just split hairs.

No, I think you are not slow. You are scum, trying to split hairs in order to get away.

What are you even talking about? At this point I'm completely lost to what you're claiming that I'm trying to do. Courage asked a question, and I shared my thoughts on it. You called me a scum for sharing my thoughts, which is acceptable. But you lied about two things I had said, so I corrected you. That's as far as I got in our interactions, but now you've lost me.

[Agnes The Orphan]

Ok I'll accept that, though I find it incredibly unlikely that the last names serve any sort of in-game purpose. Also not sure why you brought that up, though it could be another lapse in understanding...
I definitely agree we should stop meta discussion though.

Anyway, Muriel, do you have any thoughts on someone you're not arguing with? (Like my thoughts on Jan...), as that discussions kinda taken over the thread.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Will now that guy who I dumped my vote on showed up it's time to switch. When I play I usually look at the top of the list of names and then pick my fav choice. Or I go on a lynch crusade. I not at a point of hating anyone and Muriel has too much of a lead for any one else. The only thing that I don't like about Muriel is that he is a vet who posts a lot and is alarmist. A strange combo but this flakey metagame reason is not enough for me... I'll just dump my vote on:

Easy Sareh

for voting for me.


I have to respone to everyone's posts now. Maybe I'll have someone who I want to push. I have to think about what Doctor Saul is saying about Muriel because I don't understand it yet.

[Rob The Filch]

No, I think you are not slow. You are scum, trying to split hairs in order to get away.

Agreed.

[Agnes The Orphan]

I'll just dump my vote on:

Easy Sareh

for voting for me.

brilliant vote! :rollseye:

[Doctor Saul]

Alignment = Villager, Werewolf, 3rd party...
Role = Vanilla, Tiebreaker, Gossiper...
Power Role = Seer, Baner...

You attack me over the semantics between power role and role? Don't you see that even if you eliminate people from one group that helps lessen the number of candidates for another? Are you slow, or something?

And even if you meant Role instead of ANYTHING, the fact is that the argument is that you threw that out there and backed down. Instead you are trying to tie it to whether I meant a specific type of role or not -- which is silly! I am saying that you were trying to find ANY kind of information. And you don't refute it, you just split hairs.

No, I think you are not slow. You are scum, trying to split hairs in order to get away.

What are you even talking about? At this point I'm completely lost to what you're claiming that I'm trying to do. Courage asked a question, and I shared my thoughts on it. You called me a scum for sharing my thoughts, which is acceptable. But you lied about two things I had said, so I corrected you. That's as far as I got in our interactions, but now you've lost me.

I'm not a fan of how you have to slander my arguments by mislabeling them as lies. It's like you are trying to throw mud on me rather than address my points. Much like you accuse only your attackers. You've clarified your point about roles, etc. but that still did not touch on my accusation that you were trying to fish for information by throwing the last name discussion out there and then quickly saying "Oh, but we shouldn't discuss this" - That "but we shouldn't discuss this" (Not an exact quote, before you call me a 'liar' again...) is what is so darn suspicious. Why discuss it and then say we shouldn't? Why then say that you never brought it up, that it was Elizabeth that brought it up -- yet you were the one that brought up names as being tied to roles. If you want a lie, that is one, and you made it, not me.

[Muriel The Slow]

Ok I'll accept that, though I find it incredibly unlikely that the last names serve any sort of in-game purpose. Also not sure why you brought that up, though it could be another lapse in understanding...
I definitely agree we should stop meta discussion though.

Anyway, Muriel, do you have any thoughts on someone you're not arguing with? (Like my thoughts on Jan...), as that discussions kinda taken over the thread.

I found it possible that they do play a part, since they wouldn't serve much purpose being hidden in our role-PM's I considered just telling people to not share anything from their role-PM's, but I know people would have started asking for the reason behind that, so I skipped a step and explained myself right off the bat.

Will have to get back to you about those other reads. Last few hours have been frustrating for Muriel, and that is not a good state to play in. I will need to re-read the thread as well. I have a strong wolf lean on Rob, so my vote will likely stay where it is.