WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Friar Andrew]

why wouldnt the friar let go? His vote was only a joke vote, based on influence. Further, he showed great humility backing down in the face of an insult. Very fitting of a Friar.

But why feel the need to unvote? If it is a joke vote and obviously one then what is the harm in leaving it until he finds something worth exploring further?

It is not my top suspicion but something I think is worth making a note of.

Unvoting helps demonstrate it was a joke vote - necessary, with the amount of deliberate misinterpretation that goes on in WW in general, and this game is proving no exception.

I found the "Fair enough" comment quite funny.

Also that

This weekend is actually rather awkward for me, had very little time free. Will have time tonight to have a more detailed look, but from skimming:

While Elizabeth may not be completely cleared by the meta, I'd say she definitely shouldn't be a Day 1 target. I find those pressing her to be somewhat suspicious because of this.
Initial impressions of the attacks on Muriel was rather poor - they seemed baseless joke votes that then had a case fabricated behind them. Don't have time to go through recent posts in detail, though, and they look to be relevant to developing an opinion on the matter. Though more about Muriel's status than that of the people initially attacking her.

Sir Percival is giving an appearance of disliking the way he's chosen to restrict his speech almost as much as the rest of us do

[Lady Elizabeth]

This will cross-post massively but ho-hum
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It's strange that the sample villager PM first name is bold...

Post 118

I expect your statement about Krill. I was not the first person to come up with that metagame argument so it is natural to cite others. I don't know what you don't like about the a+b+c argument. I don't see any possibilities other than a+b+c. Your post saying that the metagame argument was wrong talked about "why does Courage talking about his role pm hints he is a village?" and I tried to respond to that. I'm talking about this because I want to show people that I do read posts.

Post 130

Claiming your real name doesn't prove your alignment at all. But it does provide the town with useful information. Many wolf kills are caused by players acting out of character. For example Gaspar not getting angry in ww6.

And I did not soft claim

Post 135

I agree with you that it is extremely strange that Muriel would be so sure that the last name reflects power-roles. If he were a village power-role with accesses to that information I would think he would not bring this up. I think he is probably a vet, do to his high post count and style, and would not make such an error.

Post 140

I think your wording that Doctor Saul quoted goes far beyond "spectating"

Post 144 (note: Muriel answered this question)

I think Muriel is talking about two different things. The public first name and the hidden last name. I would guess that the last name everyone has (expect the orphan) and certain last names give hints about the player. For example someone with a last name of "von glower" is very likely to be wolf.

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Muriel calls Saul a liar. But her post #34 is very strange. I think she meant "roles" meaning everything a player got. (first name, last name, powers, alignment). That's pushing it but if it is true than everything makes sense. I feel this makes more sense than Muriel suddenly shifting back and forth. It's seems to hard to call Saul a liar if he directly quoted you... This incident is still pushing it. I think that the real issue is that if the names have something to do with our roles-- that means that they have to do something with our powers. I cannot image more than one werewolf having a bad name. So the only other thing "hidden last names" can do is offer hints about powers. So Muriel's statements still don't make sense even if she was telling the truth about what she meant by "roles". However, she could have made a mistake.
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I think it is overkill for me to vote Muriel as she is under a big dogpill. But Saul's attack and the results makes me want to do it anyway but I resist for now because she stuck up for me when she did not have to.

I don't like old tom for making vague posts in the first person. And dumping his vote after weakly attacking some players.

[red] old tom [/red]

[Muriel The Slow]

Alignment = Villager, Werewolf, 3rd party...
Role = Vanilla, Tiebreaker, Gossiper...
Power Role = Seer, Baner...

You attack me over the semantics between power role and role? Don't you see that even if you eliminate people from one group that helps lessen the number of candidates for another? Are you slow, or something?

And even if you meant Role instead of ANYTHING, the fact is that the argument is that you threw that out there and backed down. Instead you are trying to tie it to whether I meant a specific type of role or not -- which is silly! I am saying that you were trying to find ANY kind of information. And you don't refute it, you just split hairs.

No, I think you are not slow. You are scum, trying to split hairs in order to get away.

What are you even talking about? At this point I'm completely lost to what you're claiming that I'm trying to do. Courage asked a question, and I shared my thoughts on it. You called me a scum for sharing my thoughts, which is acceptable. But you lied about two things I had said, so I corrected you. That's as far as I got in our interactions, but now you've lost me.

I'm not a fan of how you have to slander my arguments by mislabeling them as lies. It's like you are trying to throw mud on me rather than address my points. Much like you accuse only your attackers. You've clarified your point about roles, etc. but that still did not touch on my accusation that you were trying to fish for information by throwing the last name discussion out there and then quickly saying "Oh, but we shouldn't discuss this" - That "but we shouldn't discuss this" (Not an exact quote, before you call me a 'liar' again...) is what is so darn suspicious. Why discuss it and then say we shouldn't? Why then say that you never brought it up, that it was Elizabeth that brought it up -- yet you were the one that brought up names as being tied to roles. If you want a lie, that is one, and you made it, not me.

Already explained here:

I speculated that the last names might play a part in this game, and we should shut the fuck up about them for the time being else we risk screwing up. Isn't that exactly what you say you wanted to happen, Saul? Why do you feel it is some kind of a trap by wolf-Muriel? Shouldn't wolf-Muriel rather shut up and let all the villagers reveal their secret role-PM information rather than stop them from doing it?

I can't just tell people to shut up about a subject. They will not listen to me. I had to give them the reason why I think we should shut up about the subject.

Now with the definitions being clear thanks to Agnes the Orphan, I'm starting to think this has been mostly a misunderstanding between two villagers. When you said that I brought up last names, I thought you talked about that, but instead you were talking about bringing up the connection between last names and roles, which is something I did indeed bring up. As for the 'power roles' argument, we were using differing definitions which made it confusing. I already apologized for my terminology, but I'll apologize again to you personally. The bright side is that no clues have been given to the wolves, apart from the fact that they and us know that certain people either have or don't have a last name, but even with all the misunderstandings I did in the end manage to make the last name claims stop.

Am I wrong in thinking that you as well feel that we are two villagers making fools out of ourselves? I noticed that you used to call me a cunning wolf, but in time it has changed to me being slow

[Lady Elizabeth]

I'll just dump my vote on:

Easy Sareh

for voting for me.

brilliant vote! :rollseye:

I needed a filler vote while I read the thread a wrote a mega post. Now I am seriously voting for old tom!

[Sister Mary]

Will now that guy who I dumped my vote on showed up it's time to switch.

Now that SHE has shown up... first yourself, then Muriel too, I swear to you, girls don't bring the cooties to the playground.

Well, this nun is off to one of those parties that may or maynot involve some booze and more than loving words. I'll put my money where my mouth is, and vote Muriel the Slow for now. I am not convinced of her guilt just yet, but is too late to unvote and my suspicions of Rob have, somewhat, diminished.

When I return I'll revisit Agnes's case and any other that might pop.

[Short Richard]

First impression, I'm feeling conflicted on Muriel, the wine says that (s?)he's too confrontational and aggressive to be a wolf.

Please point to where I stated that it is scummy. Because I most certainly did not.

Apart from that, this is just a small part of the actual post and I'm kinda curious why you just focus on that small part instead of commenting on the other 9/10s of my post.

I don't get that. You agree that this whole metagaming isn't fun and not what this game should be about and than you post a list who hasn't posted yet, which is just another way of metagaming who is most likely in which timezone and therefore who is who. Doesn't really add up for me.

I thought that you pointing out a contradiction implied you thought they were scum. Oops. Didn't have a clue what you were saying in the rest of your post, you lost me with that much text.

[Doctor Saul]

Am I wrong in thinking that you as well feel that we are two villagers making fools out of ourselves? I noticed that you used to call me a cunning wolf, but in time it has changed to me being slow

Yeah, I'm starting to think that...
Although Brick called you slow first

[Short Richard]

I'm starting to believe that the case on Muriel is a huge misunderstanding, that Muriel's assertion that name-roles may or may not exist was taken by Saul to be that name-roles do exist. I'm willing to believe this:

Yes, I said they could be used by a role. That does not mean that every single power role has a last name, or that any power role has a last name, or that a role who does use the last names has a last name himself. All it says is that there might be a role or more out there who have information on how the gameplay mechanic works.

Sir Percival for his rambling?

[Lady Elizabeth]

I really don't like the "too angry" argument, here. As Gaspar said earlier it is easy to fake anger as wolf. Just tap into something that makes you angry. It is very easy here because dieing because of using the word "role" incorrectly is BS. Gaspar in ww6 couldn't tap into angry as nothing silly was happening besides people attacking him for be wolfish (because he was a wolf).

[Short Richard]

You drink one cup, I drink the other.