WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Doctor Saul]

not thrilled by case on mary. sound like convenient case to target she who cannot defend herself

Sir, you then dispute my conclusions that Muriel appears as a hot-tempered villager would in her reactions today? If you have evidence in refutation of my hypothesis I would like to hear it, as we are still only early on in our first day.

I agree that it would be bad for us to convict Mary while she is gone. Certainly she has time to return? We have 6 hours left, if my reckoning is correct.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

Here are Sister Mary's posts. The flip-flop wasn't so sudden as it's being made out to be, because she made some "preparatory" posts gradually changing her stance before casting the vote. I guess you could read that as scummy too, but it bears pointing out. It looks like the actual change of heart happened between the third and fourth posts, so Muriel's summary may be a bit misleading.

I see the village gather a little earlier than my obligations to the abby could allow me. It is a beautiful morning, and may the Lord grace you with clear judgement and sharp wits.

Yes, Old Tom, I worry too about what the dusk will bring and I look forward to your insights.
Sir Percival, I feel the need to chatise you, that is noy the way a knight speaks to a lady, a friar, or a dog.

Catching up to the thread, I would not take and Courage's and Fat Rose's comments (Is it okay dear, to call you this way or would you prefer simply: Rose?) in a bad way, there are certainly worse ways to start a conversation. I did not quite grasp the argument against Muriel, but the pushers may be up to something.

Since the tiem frame for half-hearted votes may be past us, I will vote on a later post.

Sorry, hectic weekend on this end. Should be online he next hours to contribute in some semblance of a meaningful way.

Firstly, on Courage, though I really disliked his first post, for not being precisely in the spirit of the game, I read all his interventions as villagery. His irritation towards me is more than fair, so there's that. Again, sorry. Personal preferences aside. That being said, many of his contributions have been towards the reworking of his "persona" in his first post. Agree with sir Percy, the meta does not clear him.

I agree with Agnes' reasoning towards the number of scum, considering too the promises made by the narrator.

On Muriel versus the world. I fail to see the substance behind the arguments. Rob's initial attack has been justified by the perception of a "wall of text" consiting of two parragraphs. If the initial vote was some sort of joke vote, he wouldn't have pushed the case further. Though I agree with Sir Percy's assesment on Courage, his stance on Muriel eludes me.

My suspicions lean towards Rob the Filch. True, this is day one and in the week end, so not much to begin with, and the new acconts slow the meta arguments based on past performances. I find his attack suspicious, arguing absent reasoning. If he was just to gauge reactions, his persistance makes liitle sense, other, if, you know, scum.

@Courage, I know this does not make up for the absence of this sweet little nun, but, we are her now, ready to rumble!

i didnt really say this but i agree with it anyway (i was talking about how a scum can accurately guess whether it is a two or three faction game based off the number of fellows they have).

Sorry, I mispoke. I was trying to add towards your original argument.

@The Narrator: Thanks for the tally.

@Sir Percy: Why do you suspect Muriel? The doctor's the Short Richard's votes came into play when it made sense to make pressure and Old Tom has just explained it.

I would leave Simple Anne to be modkilled if she doesn't show up. In the meantime, @Agnes & Edith: who do you suspect?

Doctor Saul, your studies have certainly made you wise. I am begginning to see the argument against Muriel. She certainly seems to have more information, but I don't necessarily label it as a scum tell just yet. On the matter of a possible connection between power roles and last names, she seems to have conflicting opinions.

I find these two statements difficult to reconcile, posted only 8 minutes apart:

Another wild goose meta chase I want to put a stop to is our profiles and our roles. They are not connected in any way, shape or form. The names are following a theme of names you could find in a small village of this era, with some humor thrown in the mix.

Lady Elizabeth Wrote:
I re-read my role-PM and the only other piece of information is that I was given a last name. Do you think this matters at all guys?

Yes, it most definitely matters. If it didn't, it would have been included in your profile name. There has to be a reason why it is hidden.

Care to elaborate, dear Muriel?

Crossposted, but the question remains valid, imo.

Can you quote the part about power roles, because that doesn't talk about power roles at all. It's just speculation that if last names turn out to be a gameplay mechanic, there needs to be more information on how they work. Chances are, some of us already possess that information, else it wouldn't make much sense to have a gameplay mechanic that no-one knows how it works. You seem to think that I've at some point said that only power roles have a last name, but that is a blatant lie.

If last names are not connected to power roles, you implied they could be connected to role/alignment, right?

If so, consider the information the village posseses as of now: Courage, when LE, claimed to have a last name; Agnes, the Orphan, no last name; Short-Richard, last name. Courage, though not cleared by any means, I consider to lean village. By this logic, Agnes, with her cute orphan reasoned arguments, leaning village, would have to be scum, right? (No tell either way on Short-Richard). Still, it would make sense if the orphan girl didn't have a last name, at least from the setup.

What I mean and from what I can gather, last names must be a null tell, at least as of now.
We cannot base our lynch in such logic, or at least I considered it a sure way towards a mislynch.

Muriel, what connection, if any, you suspect lies in the existance/absence of last names.

@Rob: The narrator added the descrpition some hours ago.

Will now that guy who I dumped my vote on showed up it's time to switch.

Now that SHE has shown up... first yourself, then Muriel too, I swear to you, girls don't bring the cooties to the playground.

Well, this nun is off to one of those parties that may or maynot involve some booze and more than loving words. I'll put my money where my mouth is, and vote Muriel the Slow for now. I am not convinced of her guilt just yet, but is too late to unvote and my suspicions of Rob have, somewhat, diminished.

When I return I'll revisit Agnes's case and any other that might pop.

[Half-Nose Harry]

I don't entirely buy the explanation from Muriel for roles vs power-roles, but I suppose it is possible that is really how she understood it. The Sister Mary flip-flop is interesting, I'd like to give her a chance to explain before voting on her tho. Percival is seeming forced to me at times, but that could be explained by him trying to be in-character. Friar Andrew voted Percival, then un-voted after a weird exchange. He hasn't had a vote on anyone the rest of the day so far, and as Scarlet John pointed out the one post he has made since then is basically filler.

[Muriel The Slow]

She misunderstood me, and I cleared it up. I don't think those posts are relevant, but fair enough. Sister Mary
Rob, thanks for making an effort. I'm still suspicious of you though. Was there any reason that your first 11 posts were an attack against a single person? Maybe an experiment?

[Doctor Saul]

Now I feel like I let Muriel play me for a fool. I suppose I am one, I should have checked her facts like Jon did.
Muriel, and Friar Andrew gets a re-read.

[Muriel The Slow]

Now I feel like I let Muriel play me for a fool. I suppose I am one, I should have checked her facts like Jon did.
Muriel, and Friar Andrew gets a re-read.

The fact that she asked me a few questions changes nothing in the argument. If you agreed with the argument at first, why do you suddenly change your mind when every single point of the argument still stands?

[Sir Percival]

not thrilled by case on mary. sound like convenient case to target she who cannot defend herself

Sir, you then dispute my conclusions that Muriel appears as a hot-tempered villager would in her reactions today? If you have evidence in refutation of my hypothesis I would like to hear it, as we are still only early on in our first day.

I agree that it would be bad for us to convict Mary while she is gone. Certainly she has time to return? We have 6 hours left, if my reckoning is correct.

muriel drew my attention by her obsession with meta. finally posted cases outside meta but conveniently against odd man percy and sis mary on a bender. think it desperate scum making cases coz under pressure of day1 lynch and so difficult to defend contribution of pure meta speculation

impression has not been muriel = mad villager. sound more like scum realising meta argument not cuting it and panic

[Muriel The Slow]

I'm not obsessed with meta. I knew that people would be, and that it would be bad for the village, which is why I wanted to get it out of the way quickly.

None of my cases have been meta. Rob, Percival and Mary cases have nothing to do with meta. If you count Courage villager lean as a case, than that does, but it's the only one.

[Doctor Saul]

Now I feel like I let Muriel play me for a fool. I suppose I am one, I should have checked her facts like Jon did.
Muriel, and Friar Andrew gets a re-read.

The fact that she asked me a few questions changes nothing in the argument. If you agreed with the argument at first, why do you suddenly change your mind when every single point of the argument still stands?

I agreed with the points you wrote as you wrote them. But I did not go back and re-read it, and as Know-Nothing Jon showed, your description of an abrupt change was not what transpired. Between the post you quoted of Sister Mary saying:

On Muriel versus the world. I fail to see the substance behind the arguments.

And then her voting of you, there were many questions, as Jon pointed out, and it seems clear now that I do read it that she was building up suspicion over that time as she asked those questions. In fact, as I skim through I can see you even answered her questions during that period! How can you accuse her of suddenly changing her mind when you were answering those questions that showed her building suspicion?

For example:

Doctor Saul, your studies have certainly made you wise. I am begginning to see the argument against Muriel. She certainly seems to have more information, but I don't necessarily label it as a scum tell just yet. On the matter of a possible connection between power roles and last names, she seems to have conflicting opinions.

I find these two statements difficult to reconcile, posted only 8 minutes apart:

Another wild goose meta chase I want to put a stop to is our profiles and our roles. They are not connected in any way, shape or form. The names are following a theme of names you could find in a small village of this era, with some humor thrown in the mix.

Lady Elizabeth Wrote:
I re-read my role-PM and the only other piece of information is that I was given a last name. Do you think this matters at all guys?

Yes, it most definitely matters. If it didn't, it would have been included in your profile name. There has to be a reason why it is hidden.

Care to elaborate, dear Muriel?

Our profile names, and the secret last names, are two different things. You are confusing them as one.

[Scarlet John]

Reading Mary's posts as quoted by KNJ, I don't see anything particularly scummy about them. Muriel was the only wagon with momentum at that point iirc, and I don't see why scum would need to bend over backwards to join it. It could simply be Mary reading a second time and re-evaluating the posts. Don't follow Rob's logic of a "checklist" being a wolf thing to do either. If we're going to lynch someone for being vague and wishy washy, I think Andrew is worse.