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WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

(July 22nd, 2013, 20:59)Agnes The Orphan Wrote: John, DON'T ask for a modkill, its much more harmful to the village. But don't feel obliged to re-read the thread - just go through the past ~10 pages and post your reactions/thoughts to events, and any gut reads (or even cases!) you have. (And don't let anyone blame you for this it's annoying, but real life/whatever happens and its not anyone's fault.)
I agree with Robs comment about Sarah's post, I don't think any of them are enough to draw any reads from.

Assuming he gets lynched anyway a mod-kill would be great for us. It effectively has a chance of giving the town an extra lynch with no draw-backs. If he is being serious, about not being active, the assumption is pretty good.

The only thing big thing that Sarah did was attack me aggressively and you cannot get much from that...
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(July 22nd, 2013, 17:31)Kate The Waif Wrote:
(July 22nd, 2013, 16:18)Bert The Bard Wrote: Yeah Anne's death is a bit odd. Could be a vig kill I suppose. Nice for her that she got to finger a scum before she died, hard to believe that scum would kill her for it though.

Anyway, Kate, for lurking.

I'm not lurking; I'm not online for large portions of the day.

(July 22nd, 2013, 16:58)Know-Nothing Jon Wrote:
(July 22nd, 2013, 09:11)Know-Nothing Jon Wrote:
(July 21st, 2013, 22:26)Kate The Waif Wrote: That being said, my earlier case against you pales against how incredibl scummy Muriel appears right now.

This is also a somewhat curious statement. What's changed since you were last online that made Muriel so much more scummy?

I'll back this question up with a vote.

Kate The Waif

Muriel actually didn't have too many posts at all before I went offline for the first time; she had some interactions with LE, but not enough to really ping with me (and maybe that's because I was slow to pick up on why she now appears to be scummy, but even looking back, her initial posts weren't supers


Post half finished half to leave ASAP will be back

*super scummy to me. However, her back and forth with Dr. Saul was really suspicious to me becuase she repeatedly accused Saul of lying, when it appeared to me that she wa strtching the truth much more than Saul. Furthermore, it's not just the fact that she was on the block next to the now known to be innocent Fr. Andrew tht makes her suspicious, but how she escaped the noose. I hate last minute runs, especially when they are based on very flimsy evidence (not that the case on Muriel was super strong, but I still don't understand the case on Fr. Andrew). Villagers panic, sure, but oftentimes there's more to it than just that. In addiotn, Muriel's claim that her reluctance to vote for Fr. Andrew at the end should be held in her favor appears false to me; unless I am making a serious miscount, he would have hung even without her vote. A wok Muriel coul afford to keep her vote away from Andrew until near the end. I suppose that, on the flip side, a wolf Muriel could even take the chance and not vote for Andrew at all, but that seems risky to me.
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John, if you can even give a little bit it would be of the utmost help. Nobody is asking you to pick a scum on the first try, but if you can post whatever comes to mind upon reading that will help us figure it out.

You voted for Muriel and Friar Andrew yesterday - do you still suspect Muriel today? Or do you suspect someone else more?
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another aspect of muriel play i don't like is her attacks on emotion. scum or not, people get emotional in these game because lots of time and effort invested in these game. showing emotion is null tell in this specific game coz no baseline.

moving off muriel briefly, want to here from young will. gonna reread when my raven gets back with his posts. these newfangled mobile ravens don't have the same functionality as your desktop raven. shakehead
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(July 23rd, 2013, 01:31)Sir Percival Wrote: another aspect of muriel play i don't like is her attacks on emotion. scum or not, people get emotional in these game because lots of time and effort invested in these game. showing emotion is null tell in this specific game coz no baseline.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding her? She did not attack that anyone got emotional, she attacked the way certain posts did not bring forth actual evidence or arguments but just tried to play on the emotional side ("we will lose because you are all sheep!") instead. It was not showing emotion - which I agree is normal in these games - it was trying to use emotions to get others to vote in a certain way.

(Basically the same thing politicians are often accused: They play with the emotions of the voters ["The filthy rich, that make their money on the back of the small people, have to pay more taxes"] instead of actually adding anything meaningful to a discussion)

Quote:moving off muriel briefly, want to here from young will. gonna reread when my raven gets back with his posts. these newfangled mobile ravens don't have the same functionality as your desktop raven. shakehead

What's the case on Young Will? Honestly asking, because I can't remember and haven't reread the whole thread yet.
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(July 22nd, 2013, 22:02)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: Assuming he gets lynched anyway a mod-kill would be great for us. It effectively has a chance of giving the town an extra lynch with no draw-backs. If he is being serious, about not being active, the assumption is pretty good.
This is not reasonable to assume. He mentioned he was willing to read the whole thread for the group so I suggested the best path to him not being lynched (contributing). People asking for contribution doesn't mean he will be lynched at some stage - the best path is still to try and take part, as it is costly otherwise.
Quote:The only thing big thing that Sarah did was attack me aggressively and you cannot get much from that...

I didn't notice her doing that really.
How many times must I discharge my blunderbuss?
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(July 22nd, 2013, 17:43)Scarlet John Wrote: Policy lynch me for inactivity if you want, it's best done now rather than later. I just haven't had much time or energy for this game, for which I apologize. I'm totally confused by all the flips, and not looking forward to having to reread the entire thread tomorrow

@Sir Percival

The above is a perfect post for playing on emotions. There is no actual content here, it is just whining about having to play the game. And what happens? He already got several people telling him it's fine to just read the last 10 pages or heck, maybe nothing at all. And what triggered it? This below + 1 vote by Doctor Saul:

Agnes Wrote:I'd like to hear more from Scarlet John personally as I haven't noticed anything from him, and on review, it looks like he hasn't posted anything of content. Who do you suspect, John?

So, he was questioned about whom he suspect because Agnes couldn't find any content that he provided and he gets away just by playing on the emotional side of the village, trying to appear innocent by offering to get policy lynched. That is the worst offer you can make to the village - apart from that I don't get why you realize that not a little bit earlier, as others were afaik on a waiting list to jump in if someone drops out.

But imo he did not expect to get policy lynched anyway. He just tried to play up on emotions to avoid getting lynched while still not having to provide anything. The same can be said about his "I'm so confused by all the flips", which is another way of calling on the care of others because he is just such a poor, little boy that is so easily confused.

Scarlet John
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@fat rose, i have some wenches to deal with, if u know what i mean, but rest assured ill outline what i believe to be the case when able. (about 3-4 hours probably)
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Day 1 and night 1 posts responding to or mentioning Easy Sarah:
(July 19th, 2013, 17:42)Lady Elizabeth Wrote:
(July 19th, 2013, 17:30)Easy Sarah Wrote: My name is Sarah, you people add an unkind adjective before my name.

(July 19th, 2013, 16:28)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: I do want to play by the "rules"! (not claiming real names) cool Please read my post. The moderator also said that it's okay to claim are real names for some very strange reason. This is very silly because if you claim your real name a wolf or villager will never counter claim you. Villages because they don't usually lie and wolfs because it steps up a 50% chance to kill a wolf on the first attempt and 100% chance of killing a wolf if the village guesses wrong.

But why claim now?

The village having more information is good. The real names of the players is information. So claiming real names adds more information which is good. And there is no way a wolf can counter-claim a name.

(July 20th, 2013, 10:38)Doctor Saul Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 10:02)Easy Sarah Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 05:01)Muriel The Slow Wrote: Now to my vote. Rob, you are very eager to attack someone only a few hours into the game. While I find it hard to believe that a wolf would rather go on an attack like that than stay low, I find it even harder to believe that a villager would be so convinced of someone's guiltiness right off the bat that they would go on such an attack. Especially when I know that the person you are attacking is a villager, and one of the few contributors so far.

Eh? Buddies?

Sarah, while I find Muriel suspicious, I do think this question has already been provided for; she was referring to herself in the third personage. Blast, now I cannot find the quote of it for the life of me.

Fat Rose, I cannot say I follow you're attack on Jon. I will re-read to digest the intent, but I thought he was clearly against those that would vote Elizabeth. If there was a contradiction later it escaped my first perusal.

(July 20th, 2013, 11:29)Know-Nothing Jon Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 10:02)Easy Sarah Wrote: I'm unwilling to hand-wave away Lady Elizabeth's posts.

Who's asking you to hand-wave away anything? And hand-wave away what, exactly? Your attack on LE is very strange because you're not actually calling him scummy. At least I'm not seeing it. So maybe you could be more specific and point out exactly what he said or did that makes you think he's scum?

(July 20th, 2013, 11:46)Muriel The Slow Wrote: I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

(July 20th, 2013, 12:09)Bert The Bard Wrote:
(July 19th, 2013, 21:36)Half-Nose Harry Wrote: Meta speculation right out of the gate it seems.

(July 19th, 2013, 17:44)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: I do mean that post. lol

I see your point. There is no way for a wolf to know that a villager's role PM talks about werewolfs. (I think brick would post a sample PM in the thread rather than giving it to the wolfs).

(July 19th, 2013, 17:46)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: I re-read my role-PM and the only other piece of information is that I was given a last name. Do you think this matters at all guys?

Are you claiming vanilla town?

(July 19th, 2013, 18:07)Muriel The Slow Wrote:
(July 19th, 2013, 17:46)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: I re-read my role-PM and the only other piece of information is that I was given a last name. Do you think this matters at all guys?

Yes, it most definitely matters. If it didn't, it would have been included in your profile name. There has to be a reason why it is hidden.

Do you truly believe that the last names or lack thereof matters, or are you just trying to wind him/her up more?

(July 19th, 2013, 21:42)Friar Andrew Wrote: Sir Percival, for being more influential than me.

How exactly is Muriel's post a wall of text? It's 2 paragraphs, and ~10 lines on my screen. Seems an entirely appropriate length for a mildly elaborate "hey idiots, stop analysing useless meta" post.

Lacking a surname here as well.

Two scummy opening posts posted one after the other.

I'll go with John's favourite over Jon's favourite for now.

(July 20th, 2013, 02:38)Scarlet John Wrote: Friar Andrew, for defending someone while simultaneously making a joke vote and contributing to the "useless meta" surrounding surnames.

Friar Andrew

I also think Muriel is showing some questionable reasoning. And Sarah should definitely explain the handwaving thing.

I'll get back to the Lady Liz thing.

(July 20th, 2013, 12:31)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: Lots of stuff happened so time for a huge post.

First Percival's posts are not good enough to for me to switch off of alone. They are just short weak attacks on me for no good reason and random spam.

In response to post #89 Percival's position on that list is questionable. It's unclear if he is playing seriously at all. If he is not playing seriously maybe he would not have followed the metagame discussion. That said he should have an eye kept on for reasons I've said above.

Widow, I didn't sign up in this game to play as a female character. The advertising post didn't say that there would be a gender ratio of around 50/50. It just said you would be given a avatar and a fake name. The only female to play werewolf here was pling. I like talking about the meta-game to. The advertising post said nothing about stopping metagame talking (save for not using what happened in earlier werewolf games). Just that no-one would be judged on what happened in earlier games. I feel I have not broken an unofficial rules.

I have to point out that in my first post I said that I would not push at all for people to reveal their real names. Because that would undermine the point of the entire game.

Everyone please stop saying that the wolfs could somehow mess up a claim of real names. I feel the only way that they can mess them up would be to counter-claim the name. This is very silly for reasons I 've pointed out and an addition it would be very hard for a wolf to act like the person he is counter-claiming. This bad logic makes me irrationally angry. The town would not be safer but would have more information.

The other two points for Sarah's attack against me is Muriel sticking up for me and my "softrole" claim. Well, Muriel stuck up for me because she think's I'm a villager for metagame reasons. And it is bad to roleclaim plain-villager unless pressed. This is because it increases the chance of the WWs killing a power-role. For example in the mafia-theme werewolf game the werewolfs were able to find the seer by process of elimination.

The fact that Rob is ripping into Muriel and she's not reacting "unhappily/annoyed" is slightly scummy.

That's it for now! lol

(July 20th, 2013, 12:33)Sir Percival Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 11:46)Muriel The Slow Wrote: I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

(July 20th, 2013, 13:06)Bert The Bard Wrote: Okay, about Lady Liz. This is stupid, but my vote for Lady Liz was actually a joke, the simplest way to concisely pin him not as Lady Liz, not as Courage, but as MJW.

Upon reading his post the meta clearing of him did in fact jump at me immediately, as I had already noticed the same fact from my own role pm. So my internal conclusion from Lady Elizabeth's first post was in fact that she was innocent. Therefore Widow Edith's followup vote on Lady Liz jumped at me, and my joke vote morphed into a "plan". I described it as such to save time and bandwidth - I was playing from the phone. The plan of course was simply to see if anybody else failed to see that Lady Liz was a very likely villager.

Sidetracking a bit, I do think LL is a very likely villager, Fat Rose and Sir Percival. I'm pretty certain that the GM would have posted the villager role PM in the game thread if he had thought of it, he wouldn't have provided it in the wolf QT. When the game started, I asked the GM to post the villager win condition in the thread, since I had spotted the potential meta problem with the villager role PM. (I should have asked him to post a full vanilla PM). In response the GM edited this info into the opening post. (This happened after Lady Liz's post.) So it seems to me that the GM hadn't provided scum with the village win condition in any other channels.

So yeah, that is a complete meta argument which some people hate, but we can't unlearn that info once LL has used it. If you dislike it, don't blame me for pointing it out, blame the GM for not guarding against it.

Back on track:
Myself, Widow Edith, Sir Percival and Easy Sarah voted LL.
* Widow Edith gave political reasons for voting LL. It's not clear to me whether perceived scumminess factored into the vote
* Sir Percival doesn't believe the meta clears LL.
* Easy Sarah needs to explain her vote.

I'm not sure why scum would vote LL after the meta argument in her favour was pointed out, so that counts in SP and ES's favour. In other words, a finger of suspicion on Widow Edith, apart from that I'm not sure the LL incident tells us much except that LL is likely town.

Giant crosspost.

(July 20th, 2013, 15:42)Widow Edith Wrote: While I agree with Agnes on principle based on all that transpired I rather clear Lady Elisabeth till convincing evidence to the contrary. Can we now put the meta to rest and play the game?

(July 20th, 2013, 13:27)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: Now that Percvial has shown up I have to think who to vote for. I'm bound to switch off as there are a couple of players with only 1 posts I feel that's worse than what Percvial is doing.

So far Simple Anne has not shown up at all. And we have 2 people with rather odd posts.
First Young Will with his novice/Darrell joke here and second Sister Mary with that piece of fencesitting/idle chatter. Additional Easy Sarah and her handwaving.

(July 20th, 2013, 17:20)The Narrator Wrote: Current vote count:
5- Muriel the Slow: Old Tom (assuming format error), Doctor Saul, Short Richard, Sir Percival, Rob the Filch
2- Friar Andrew: Bert the Bard, Scarlet John
2- Simple Anne: Agnes the Orphan, Widow Edith
2- Rob the Filch: Sister Mary, Muriel the Slow
2- Know-Nothing Jon: Fat Rose, Kate the Waif
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Half-Nose Harry: Know-Nothing Jon
1- Sister Mary: Lady Elizabeth

Not voting: Young Will, Simple Anne, Friar Andrew

Please let me know if I've missed anything; today is moving day, and only have phone access at the moment. Front post to be edited with a sample villager Role PM.

(July 20th, 2013, 17:39)Young Will Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 17:36)Easy Sarah Wrote: LE: courage pointed out that name claiming Benefits the town and then he name claims. But, Claiming your or anyone else's own name doesnt prove your alignment. He knows this. But why point out only the first part or the business about counter-claims? And even with counter-claims, why not wait for someone to fake claim, however unlikely that is, to reveal? It doesn't make sense to me to point out the first and do the second.

where did courage name claim? I don't recall him ever claiming his own name at all. Bert the Ball claimed to know his name, and others jumped on, but courage neither confirmed nor denied that.

(July 20th, 2013, 17:46)Old Tom Wrote: Old Tom could use some of Easy Sarah's hand waving.

Old Tom finds it somewhat curious Lady Elizabeth would refuse to slide down the slippery slope towards cross-dressing and transgender surgery by playing a female on an internet forum mafia game.

Old Tom thinks that people eliminated from the game should avoid posting in the lurker thread under their real identity until the end - perhaps use the fake ID? This will prevent Old Tom from getting too much info out of "last post" info. it will also make an interesting read-post game as lurkers and anonymous IDs interact.

curious vote count too. To fix Old Tom's color format error: Muriel the slow

(July 21st, 2013, 07:51)Bert The Bard Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 17:36)Easy Sarah Wrote: This message is via carrier pigeon, please forgive lack of quotes, spelling, etc.

"Hand waving:" this is the phrase I chose to describe that I still found discussion of LE warranted. I could have said "I have something to say" or "as for LE." Just an opening hook. Easy Sarah is accustomed to more action than hand waiving, anyway.

LE: courage pointed out that name claiming Benefits the town and then he name claims. But, Claiming your or anyone else's own name doesnt prove your alignment. He knows this. But why point out only the first part or the business about counter-claims? And even with counter-claims, why not wait for someone to fake claim, however unlikely that is, to reveal? It doesn't make sense to me to point out the first and do the second.

Combined with the soft claim, I found this mildly scummy.

OK so these were your reasons for voting Courage. I find them weak, but that's not the point. The question is rather - why did you ignore the evidence in favour of Courage's innocence?

(July 21st, 2013, 10:35)The Narrator Wrote: Current votes:
4- Muriel the Slow: Old Tom, Sir Percival, Half-Nose Harry, Sister Mary
4- Sister Mary: Doctor Saul, Rob the Filch, Short Richard, Bert the Bard
2- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Know-Nothing Jon
2- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif, Agnes the Orphan
2- Old Tom: Lady Elizabeth, Fat Rose
1- Short Richard: Widow Edith
1- Rob the Filch: Muriel the Slow
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Widow Edith: Young Will


Not voting: Simple Anne, Friar Andrew

Please let me know if I've missed any.

Edit: 5.5 hours til deadline

(July 21st, 2013, 13:15)The Narrator Wrote: Current tally:
7- Muriel the Slow: Doctor Saul, Old Tom, Sir Percival, Half-Nose Harry, Sister Mary, Friar Andrew, Rob the Filch
4- Sister Mary: Short Richard, Bert the Bard, Muriel the Slow, Lady Elizabeth
2- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Know-Nothing Jon,
2- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif, Agnes the Orphan
1- Old Tom: , Fat Rose
1- Young Will: Widow Edith
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Widow Edith: Young Will


Not voting: Simple Anne

Deadline in 2.75 hrs

(July 21st, 2013, 13:53)Muriel The Slow Wrote:
(July 21st, 2013, 13:22)Widow Edith Wrote: No one has any opinion about Young Will?
Mary + Muriel currently it looks like one of you 2 will get lynched. Can you tell us whom else you see as scum?

Sure. Reasons are a mix of my own theories, others theories, first impressions and gut feelings.

Village lean:
Bert, Saul, Courage, Rose, Richard, Will

Mixed feelings (mostly village, but some things stick out):
Jon, Harry, Agnes

Wolf lean:
Mary, Rob, Percival, Tom, Kate, John, Edith

Neutral / Lurking:
Anne, Sarah, Friar

(July 21st, 2013, 15:13)Fat Rose Wrote: Current tally (unofficial)

7- Muriel the Slow: Doctor Saul, Old Tom, Sir Percival, Half-Nose Harry, Sister Mary, Friar Andrew, Rob the Filch
6- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Bert the Bard, Lady Elizabeth, Know-Nothing Jon, Widow Edith, Agnes the Orphan
2- Sister Mary: Short Richard, Muriel the Slow
1- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif
1- Old Tom: , Fat Rose
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Widow Edith: Young Will


Not voting: Simple Anne

(skipped another tally by Fat Rose)

(July 21st, 2013, 15:36)The Narrator Wrote: Current tally:
7- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Bert the Bard, Know-Nothing Jon, Lady Elizabeth, Widow Edith, Agnes the Orphan, Half-Nose Harry
6- Muriel the Slow: Doctor Saul, Old Tom, Sir Percival, Sister Mary, Friar Andrew, Rob the Filch
2- Sister Mary: Short Richard, Muriel the Slow,
1- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif
1- Old Tom: Fat Rose
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Widow Edith: Young Will


Not voting: Simple Anne

Deadline in 30 minutes.

(July 21st, 2013, 15:51)The Narrator Wrote: 9- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Bert the Bard, Know-Nothing Jon, Lady Elizabeth, Widow Edith, Agnes the Orphan, Half-Nose Harry, Muriel the Slow, Fat Rose
6- Muriel the Slow: Doctor Saul, Old Tom, Sir Percival, Sister Mary, Friar Andrew, Rob the Filch
1- Sister Mary: Short Richard
1- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah
1- Widow Edith: Young Will


Not voting: Simple Anne

10 minutes. Apologies for the error, Harry.

(July 21st, 2013, 16:08)The Narrator Wrote: Final vote count:
11- Friar Andrew: Scarlet John, Bert the Bard, Know-Nothing Jon, Lady Elizabeth, Widow Edith, Agnes the Orphan, Half-Nose Harry, Muriel the Slow, Fat Rose, Short Richard
7- Muriel the Slow: Doctor Saul, Old Tom, Sir Percival, Sister Mary, Friar Andrew, Rob the Filch, Young Will
1- Know-Nothing Jon: Kate the Waif
1- Lady Elizabeth: Easy Sarah

Not voting: Simple Anne

It has been a dark, confusing day. Barely had the remains of poor luckless Joe cooled before madness struck the village, with the Lady Elizabeth Acland cursing the heavens and demanding everyone call her a dog. It was as if the spirit of an idiotic five-year-old boy fearing cooties had possessed her. The only other person of rank in the village, Sir Percival, bellowed inarticulately and stormed about, insulting all he could see.

Bereft of the leadership of the nobler class, the villagers argued until dusk. Although the obstreperous and loud Muriel Wall had many clamoring for her head, not the least of which for her desire to lynch a nun, the fat and loathsome Friar Andrew in the end proved to be the most popular target of the village's ire. He protested, saying no man of God would consult with demons to become a werewolf. However, in the end, the village voted and he was well hung at dusk.

As he swayed in the breeze, a silver-inlaid crossbow fell from his person, ruined. "Damn you all," he croaked.


Friar Andrew was lynched. He was a Village Paranoid Crossbow Owner.

Postscript: I realize I didn't forbid it, but please don't post between deadline and lynch.

(July 22nd, 2013, 14:26)Simple Anne Wrote:
(July 20th, 2013, 10:02)Easy Sarah Wrote: I'm unwilling to hand-wave away Lady Elizabeth's posts.

(July 19th, 2013, 16:28)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: This is very silly because if you claim your real name a wolf or villager will never counter claim you. Villages because they don't usually lie and wolfs because it steps up a 50% chance to kill a wolf on the first attempt and 100% chance of killing a wolf if the village guesses wrong.

Let's put aside feelings about meta discussion. You claim that the town will be safer if there is a mass-claim of real identities. There is no reliable method to verify anyone's claim. You justify this by saying no wolf would ever counter-claim an identity reveal, which has merit. You're revealed now and this gives you credibility for what exactly?

It appears that you write this to establish some credit for being honest or perceptive. I don't know see why you should get any. Your real identity has nothing to do with your alignment in this game.

(July 20th, 2013, 00:54)Lady Elizabeth Wrote: 1. I did not claim vainillina town. What I meant was that was that was all the FLAVOR information I was given in my role-pm.

You claim there is only one faction, then you make a general softclaim. It's not definitive, similar to my argument above, but it tells me there's an increased probability that you do, in fact, have an ability. You've identified yourself, also as a villager with likely with an ability, and became a target. Are you just trying to build town cred or save yourself?

Also:

(July 20th, 2013, 05:01)Muriel The Slow Wrote: Now to my vote. Rob, you are very eager to attack someone only a few hours into the game. While I find it hard to believe that a wolf would rather go on an attack like that than stay low, I find it even harder to believe that a villager would be so convinced of someone's guiltiness right off the bat that they would go on such an attack. Especially when I know that the person you are attacking is a villager, and one of the few contributors so far.

Eh? Buddies?

Still not entirely caught up, but this post was very, very bad. Typical wolf commenting on small things, especially considering last point was already adressed and refuted before the post. Likely wolfy wolf thought he saw a slip and went for the mislynch.

Voting Elizabeth was also bad.

I wonder what made people not vote for this gal here... I'd vote vote vote this Easy Sarah if I had been playing on day 1 (lol ).

(July 22nd, 2013, 15:06)Bert The Bard Wrote: Yeah I agree, Anne. In that post, Sarah also completely fails to understand why people are clearing Lady Elizabeth.

(July 22nd, 2013, 16:01)The Narrator Wrote: The dawn is noxious, redolent of death. You thought you had escaped the smell when you had escaped the plague...but it seems a new curse has followed you home. Blood and dark signs cover the ground. The mortal remains of simple Anne Farmer and old Tom Morris, small and broken, are a pitiful sight. But Sarah Goode...you shudder. How many had had congress with the woman, when such a horrific aspect lurked within...

Simple Anne was found dead. She was a Village Jailer.
Old Tom was found dead. He was a Villager.
Easy Sarah was found dead. She was a Werewolf.


Day 2 dawns.
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(July 23rd, 2013, 01:56)Fat Rose Wrote:
(July 22nd, 2013, 17:43)Scarlet John Wrote: Policy lynch me for inactivity if you want, it's best done now rather than later. I just haven't had much time or energy for this game, for which I apologize. I'm totally confused by all the flips, and not looking forward to having to reread the entire thread tomorrow

@Sir Percival

The above is a perfect post for playing on emotions. There is no actual content here, it is just whining about having to play the game. And what happens? He already got several people telling him it's fine to just read the last 10 pages or heck, maybe nothing at all.

But imo he did not expect to get policy lynched anyway. He just tried to play up on emotions to avoid getting lynched while still not having to provide anything. The same can be said about his "I'm so confused by all the flips", which is another way of calling on the care of others because he is just such a poor, little boy that is so easily confused.

Scarlet John

I agree that playing on emotions is a pretty big scum tell, at least from experienced players. Since we were discussing novice in WW25, here's an example:
(June 27th, 2013, 14:03)novice Wrote: Well I don't know what to say. I almost do take it personally that people would lynch me over a proven liar. BRick's case on me is the kind I used to whip up when I was just a little cub. Just quote your target's posts, add some suggestive commentary and sprinkle a little narrative.

I see how BRick comes across as villagery - he does act like a man with a conviction (along with his Stockholm syndromed sidekick Pindicator), and spins a convincing tale about his thought processes. Just remember that he's fooled everyone like this before, and that earnest scumhunting is easy to do in a multifaction game. Personally, I've learned to value objective evidence after my fiasco in the Futurama game.

One difference though is that novice made that post when he was well on his way to the gallows, sort of like a last-ditch attempt at turning around the bandwagon. It seems a bit premature for Scarlet John to resort to this tactic at the first critical question.

Anyway, Scarlet John, why were the all the flips confusing to you? What assumptions of yours did they upset?
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