WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Rob The Filch]

Muriel's tone just really got to me tonight.

The combination of a know-it-all attitude + hare-brained arguments + implying that people who disagree are stupid is infuriating.

Welcome to the club.

[Muriel The Slow]

Saul, you should still scry, because you might be an "insane cop".

If you are the vig, and you can shoot every other day, I feel that the only logical targets are Saul and Muriel. Why?

Saul:

Muriel: I just find her posts to very wolfish. For example 767 seems very insincere; I even considered voting Muriel over Kate because of that! If Saul really is a fool he could be an "insane cop" were his results are inverted and you would know what that would mean . Also, no matter what Saul flips, people will be bitching about Muriel so much the day after that. So a day is still going to be wasted. I gave her an extreme amount of credit for supporting me but post 767 pushes too far.

I have 105 posts. You found one of them insincere for some reason. Because of that, you would have rather lynched me than a get a guaranteed wolf kill by lynching Kate and then lynching Saul if she turned out to be a villager?

Muriel's tone just really got to me tonight.

The combination of a know-it-all attitude + hare-brained arguments + implying that people who disagree are stupid is infuriating.

I didn't say you are stupid, I said you didn't understand my argument, which was true. Would you prefer that I don't clear up things and we just throw all logic to the bin and pick lynches randomly since we don't care about facts anymore?

[Rob The Filch]

Jon, I think there is a good chance that Will is a wolf because he refused to reveal his role to us. Sharing this information with us would benefit the village. Everyone having more information helps the village. There was nothing to be gained by keeping it secret, at least nothing I could think of.

I disagree. This is false because there are times when revealing hurts the village by giving scum more information. I also do not think is a scum tell. I do not think Will is scum.

Well no matter what anyone believes, Will shouldn't in any case be the first one to be targeted after we lynch Saul. There are other wolves, ones that actually have content that we can analyze and are less of a risk to lynch. I didn't have any reason to postpone posting my thoughts on him, so I didn't, and as I've said I think it's better that everyone knows what his interaction with Bert was and that he isn't a 100% confirmed villager.

Why are we lynching Saul? You seem to imply this is a forgone conclusion that tomorrow we have to lynch Saul. This seem to be the same as when you said we had to lynch Scarlet Jon.

Now about Saul:

-His play has been extremely villagery all game. Reactions have seemed honest and villagery. Village lean.
-His backing off of Muriel Day 2 is indicitive of an innocent scan Night 1. Village lean.
-Revealed he had info to clear Muriel Night 2 before end of deadline. Scum lean.
But if Muriel is a wolf then it makes sense that Saul wasn't killed.

How many times has a wolf claimed seer to get a villager lynched in RB games? None. Why? Because it draws too much attention and the risk is way too high. One villager is not worth a wolf's life.

I do not think we should lynch Saul tomorrow. Muriel on the other hand seems to think we should be lining up to hang Saul. Chain lynching is a bad, anti-village idea.

[Muriel The Slow]

But if Muriel is a wolf then it makes sense that Saul wasn't killed.

And if Saul is a wolf then it makes just as much sense. And you somehow forgot to mention the biggest scum tell of them all: He claimed seer, we believed him, and we ended up lynching a villager. It's pretty much the biggest wolf tell we could ever get in this game without it actually being a straight up 100% confirmation of a wolf. And the first thing you say is "Oh, he's probably villager, let's target this other villager instead because she wants to do the sensible thing!"

[Kate The Waif]

Goodbye, ya'll. I would have lynched me too.

My password is "poorkate26," probably because I'm a waif, but now I join my parents.

[Rob The Filch]

And you somehow forgot to mention the biggest scum tell of them all: He claimed seer, we believed him, and we ended up lynching a villager. It's pretty much the biggest wolf tell we could ever get in this game without it actually being a straight up 100% confirmation of a wolf. And the first thing you say is "Oh, he's probably villager, let's target this other villager instead because she wants to do the sensible thing!"

Who's using emotional proof now? It is not the biggest scum tell of all. Wolves don't sacrifice themselves on such risky gambits every game. In fact there are 0 instances of it in RB Werewolf. Its not a scum tell at all.

Ignore the seer and claim and subsequent villager lynch for just a moment and focus on Doctor Saul and his play. It has not been scummy. In fact it has been extremely villager. To throw that out the window and lynch based on this is simply blind chain lynching. You are trying to get the village to focus on this one point to the exclusion of all others becaomes in a vacuum it could be considered scummy.

Muriel you aren't scum hunting and haven't since Sister Mary. You see an oppourtunity to lynch another villager based on meta reasons and you're jumping for it. You seem to be setting up another "We have no choice but to lynch" argumetn/defense. Am I wrong? Do you think we "have to do it"? Will you again not blame yourself if Saul is innocent?

[Doctor Saul]

Guys, I had a thought. I think that me being a fool is not good. Who would want to play like that? So why do we think the GM did that to me? So I think maybe it is not like that. I think a better reason is someone messed with my night 2 result. Someone could switch my result maybe and that is why Kate showed as wolf. Maybe some wolf saw my post defending Muriel and thought they would switch me to mess me up and get a seer lynched.

[Rob The Filch]

Guys, I had a thought. I think that me being a fool is not good. Who would want to play like that? So why do we think the GM did that to me? So I think maybe it is not like that. I think a better reason is someone messed with my night 2 result. Someone could switch my result maybe and that is why Kate showed as wolf. Maybe some wolf saw my post defending Muriel and thought they would switch me to mess me up and get a seer lynched.

The fool is a very common role. Usually when there is a fool in game there is also a seer. Neither knows which is the real seer until something like this happens. It is common in fact the fool is part of the base game we've played at RB.

[Agnes The Orphan]

What you said now is exactly my point: there is no "dark secret", in fact there is no reason at all to not reveal it if he is a villager. Yet he didn't reveal.

Err, yes there are. Firstly, you give yourself, a confirmable villager (AND a power role, iiuc) a big target on your back, where otherwise the wolves could shoot random villagers or just non-confirmed/confirmable villagers or non-power roles. I don't see why the wolves would assume that - I to one had never heard that role before. Why would he reveal? And why does his not revealing make him scum?

And I think your point that Will's role wouldn't matter is bad. It's not the same thing to assume that the GM just lies to people for no reason. There are specific conditions when the GM would lie, for example if a seer scans a miller, the GM would give a false result to the seer because of the miller's role. Friendly neighbor being a wolf is one of these circumstances.

This is absolutely wrong.
A non-bastard GM by definition NEVER lies to the player. This is why seer results are always "your scan returned the result" or a RP version of that, because the GM is not telling you the alignment, they're telling you the result.

I also think they're a lot of reasons that Saul could've got the result he did and I don't think its worthwhile lynching him.

I think Muriels saying that lynching her off one post is bad Is very bad - I mean, do spammers suddenly get an out.
With Sauls results in doubt, I'm much more inclined to lynch Muriel.

[Agnes The Orphan]

I also agree with Robs post on Saul as a case, and dislike the railroading that Muriels been doing. Quite apart from lynching a village lean, it'd be another no-tell day like Kates lynch .
Oh and GG Kate sucky way to end.
@Rob, I don't consider fool a common role - nor do I consider seer common, and tbh I view fool as a bastard role.