WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Young Will]

well that's something. not much of something :/


I'd like to see Harry speak up even more than Richard, actually.

[Half-Nose Harry]

There is way too much of a sense of complacency and business as usual in this thread.

Do you think i am a wolf, rose?
If so you should vote for me.

I think it is possible and you changing your posting style yet again without explaining why you changed in the first place is definitely not making me feel better about you. But Richard has still not posted and I think he is our best target for today. Doesn't mean I have to waste the day though.

And yes, lynch any village and game is likely over. I am village so game would be over. Do you disagree?

Not sure what you try to achieve with this. I've never stated anything contrary to what you wrote there, but that I find it odd to not write it like that in the first place but instead tell Percy that if he lynches specifically you it would be bad for the village. Anyhow, I don't disagree that lynching a villager is most likely game-over as 4 wolves would not be enough. Just if you are one remains to be seen.

I am not ready to come out and say Harry lies because he has not revealed. Also, i say richard is better because i have less doubt.
Or do you think my scan is good except for Kate? Then i should vote for Jon, right?

Harry said there is nothing to block you. I don't see what a reveal from him would change there. I suppose you don't expect that he reveals that there is something that would have blocked you, that wouldn't make sense.

And again, why do you try to make it seem as if I said anything like what you imply in the above quote? I've never even hinted that I think your scans are good. I asked why you seem to trust your scans insofar as that you believe that Harry lied about him not blocking you which is what you implied with your posts.

Thinking about the game so far and rereading a lot and thinking how this game devolved into its state. So I went a bit through the early posts to look for hints there; to maybe find a player who slowly but steadily edged Muriel on. Who pushed her again and again.

And I found Sir Percival.

He started with voting LE and switched to Muriel after this:

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

That's his first vote vs Muriel. From then on he talked with Muriel about Meta. claiming that LE is not cleared because of it and that we throw the game because of stupid meta. And then he made this nice post which somehow was missed by (nearly) all.

muriel, either ur scum or u have role. convince me ur role is bad lynch.

Later he claimed that he is an easy target therefor Muriel targeting him is scummy. On Day 2 he starts on Will but switches with no real reason back to Muriel. Afterwards he continue to stoke the fire by calling her hypocrite and so on. In short Sir Percival's prime reason to vote Muriel was that she accepted the Meta-proof that LE is a villager. From then on he viewed everything of her as a scum-tell. He pushed her and even called himself an easy-lynch to paint her black.

im quoting this for emphasis and to remind me of it later in the game. I'll add further that maybe the reason he switched off me is that I was barely participating on day 2, so it was obvious I wasn't going to hang myself.
I like this a lot, but we have 3 or 4 scum to catch, apparently. I do think richard is the most obvious, and its clear he's not going to come and claim like I want him too

You guys do realize that this is lylo right? If we don't get a wolf, there is no tomorrow to worry about. And

What do you hope to achieve in asking for claims? I don't think it can hurt anything, but at this point what will it achieve? We're at lylo, so it's not like we have lynches to burn verifying a claim.

This feels evasive. If it can't hurt, then logically there might be something to gain. For one, I want to lock down the claims of my primary suspects, so they can't change their story later.

When exactly is the later people will be changing their story? What do you believe will transpire, at this point in the game, that will lead to someone needing to change their claimed role? Are you saying you think that a wolf is going to claim a role one of the few remaining villagers has and out themselves? I personally don't find that very likely. Far safer to just claim vanilla yes? This isn't a role madness setup. There are regular villagers, from the flips several of them. I am one. Short Richard just also claimed to be one. This is what I was getting at earlier when I asked you why you wanted claims. This information seems to be of no benefit. I obviously know my own role, but Richard's doesn't do me much good. Short of lynching him, I seriously doubt we have any way of verifying his claim, and then we have the information regardless, and either he is innocent and we lose, or he's scum and him having claimed it tells us nothing really. This line of thinking from you feels designed to appear to be accomplishing something while not really doing anything. More wheel spinning. Which as I said it seems there is a lot of, which is to be expected when half the people I'm reading are wolves. All they need to do is just get us to lemming onto one more target and it's done.

This brings me to why I really don't like a Short Richard lynch today. I've thought he was scummy for most of the game, and as I said yesterday I would have wanted to lynch him if not for Muriel, but things change. Muriel came up innocent, and now it seems like he is being lined up as the next logical lynch, he is the "obvious" target, and "if he's a villager that lurked we didn't have a chance to win anyhow". It is possible that he may doom us, and I really regret still having him alive at this point. However, it seems far too easy of a lynch, and too many people are expressing an interest in it.

I'm not sure if the setup was wonky, we've just been unlucky, the wolves have just been that good, or (most likely) we've just been this bad. All game we've had villager vs villager on the block, so we don't even really have voting records to help us at this stage. What this does tell me is we are likely to have wolves where we haven't looked at all yet. Barring day 1 and the seer claim lynch on Kate, I've been basing my votes on inconsistencies in people's posts, what I thought was least/most likely out of a set of choices, and other tangibles. This has gotten me absolutely nowhere, seeing as I've been voting for every single villager we've killed. I've had a nagging suspicion about someone, but despite several rereads of the thread and their posts in particular, I couldn't find anything to validate my concerns. I obviously can't do any worse than trying to reason through this, so I'm going to vote on gut feel. Fat Rose

[Doctor Saul]

That is good points Harry. What really makes me feel uneasy is there has been lots of discussion, lots of names, but no voting. Why is that? I do no like it and I do not think it is all sincere.

Fatty pushes and pushes and yet she does not vote against me. Why not vote me? I think she is scared because I am obviously village. Well, I do not think we should fall in with her and vote someone she wants us to vote. Fat Rose

[Doctor Saul]

Here Fatty, I will help you. Let me show you how

Doctor Saul

See how easy that is?

[Rob The Filch]

Fat rose is my number 2 suspect after Richard. Edith I'm currently unsure about, but likely my third wolf. I think Richard is a wolf that the other wolves were ready to bus today.

[Fat Rose]

Yeah, please vote for me and than we are done with this, fine with me. Especially when now 3 people vote in short order for me, all giving no reason at all. Harry makes an extremely long post, telling us that he has no clue, hence he votes for me. Saul just follows it up because I have pushed him but not voted him and he doesn't like that, even though I had explained already yesterday why I did not vote him yet (waiting for Richard). And then Rob chimes in, claiming I'm his no.2 suspect. Honestly, if there is not at least 1 wolf within those 3 I'd be very, very surprised.

And especially this sentence from Rob

I think Richard is a wolf that the other wolves were ready to bus today.

had me scratch my head as even before Muriel was lynched he wrote:

I would vote Muriel but I hate short Richards most recent vote on Muriel. He says he doesn't understand the argument with sister Mary so that's his reason for voting for her. That was how long ago? And what about her most recent thoughts? It's too lazy and my scum dar is going crazy on him. short Richard

So, let me get this straight: We are at LyLo, you are since several days certain that Richard is a wolf, you even tried to get him lynched the day we lynched Muriel, claim now he is a wolf that is bussed by the other wolves - and then you vote for me? Yeah, that makes absolute sense I think it makes more sense when we assume that the wolves indeed wanted to bus Richard today, but then you realized that I had 2 votes against me and that you might win already today if you get me lynched instead of him.

[Rob The Filch]

Or I want to see two wolves on the block rather than one just in case the wolves try to get a run on a villager.

I also think that you, Fat Rose gave in pretty easily to the Muriel lynch yesterday. And it wasn't so much that you voted for but the way you seemed resigned to that vote.

[Sir Percival]

rob the filch

[Fat Rose]

Or I want to see two wolves on the block rather than one just in case the wolves try to get a run on a villager.

I also think that you, Fat Rose gave in pretty easily to the Muriel lynch yesterday. And it wasn't so much that you voted for but the way you seemed resigned to that vote.

Rob, are you of all people really accusing me of "Giving in easily"? You, who threw a tantrum twice this game already, behaved like a bad-mannered kid most of the time and asked for a replacement because somebody dares not to agree with you? Really?

Also, I think I explained yesterday well enough why I voted for Muriel (change in posting style together with some meta-considerations). If there is anyone besides you having questions about it, I'm happy to answer. But I won't let you make this yet another day about Muriel, after we've wasted - with much of your help - more than half this game on her. I'm honestly annoyed at you, not for you being a wolf and trying to win, but for the way you did that. You made this game a misery to most of us and even though I understand what highly competitive means, at some point I think the fun for everyone should count more than winning at all costs.

[Fat Rose]

Inofficial Vote-Count (because counting helps to calm down...)

Half-Nose Harry (3) - Know-Nothing Jon, Short Richard, Young Will
Short Richard (2) - Edith the Widow, Fat Rose
Fat Rose (2) - Half-Nose Harry, Rob the Filch
Doctor Saul (1) - Doctor Saul
Rob the Filch (1) - Sir Percival

And suddenly that run out of nowhere on me makes sense. I hadn't realized that Harry had gotten more votes than Richard by now and that he is under threat of dying, my impression had been that Richard had by far the most votes. Have to wrap my head around what that probably means in regards to bussing (if Richard and Harry are wolves it makes no sense that Richard votes for him if they planned to bus Richard).