Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[antisocialmunky]

Can we bribe CFC instead? It would be nice if we could get them to sell us cannons for a GP and an NAP.

[sunrise089]

Agree. (Edit: With scooter, crossposted with asm)

@ASM - We tried to, just a few turns back, with the same offer.

[scooter]

Sent to Apolyton and CivPlayers:

Apolyton and CivPlayers,

I'm sending this to both of your teams since it has been clear for awhile that you are working closely together. I understand the position you guys are in. You don't want to commit to peace with us, but you don't want to leave us alone to tech peacefully. That's completely fair. However, I think you guys are smart enough to know that a full war with us will just be a stalemate. I'm just going to be 100% honest with you guys: we are tracking your builds very closely, and we basically know what you guys have and what you might attack us with. We know it's enough to do some damage, but we also know we will be able to stop it before you guys gain too much. We've even done some simming on killing different stack compositions. Needless to say, our warmongery members are a little too eager about the idea of killing off a dogpile . Regardless, I think the only winner in this conflict would be CFC, and I don't think you guys want that any more than we do.

So I have one last idea for a peaceful compromise:
* NAP until T230 between all 3 of us
* RB will be generating two great persons in the next 15 turns. We will gift you each one of them. You guys can decide between yourself who gets which one.

This is the absolute best offer we can make. It's actually a little too much in my opinion (there is quite a bit of disagreement within our team over this), but our team has decided to offer it. I'd remind you that when it comes to keeping pace with us, this is basically denying us a golden age. If you don't take this, we'll be using this for a golden age at a very decisive time. If you take this, we'll be passing up on that, and our economic recovery will be slowed down considerably. We've also invested heavily in military to defend against both of you rather than building economic things, so you would have accomplished your goals of slowing us down, not to mention the bonus you both would get from a great person.

I would also ask that you please let us know your answer pretty quickly. This offer will have to expire as soon as the turn rolls to T170.

Thanks!
scooter - Team RB

[Zargon]

Bah, I didn't get in fast enough.

Letting them think it over until 170 seems bad. On 169, we have to decide whether to slave 40 or 50 pop. Getting the deal is fine, but not if we just slaved 50 pop =[

I suppose we'll still come out ahead even if we slave all that pop and give away the GP for a 230 NAP. We could go burn down a few CFC cities, or just hold onto the units and roll over WPC on 200.

Then again, if we think we're still ahead on this deal after slaving 50 pop, then it might be a brilliant move to get them to take it. Slave all the pop and suddenly the deal will look a lot better. I initially thought this had a 5% chance of working, but now it seems more like 30%.

[NobleHelium]

I would be totally happy to attack CFC with those 50 pop.

[pindicator]

Yeah, that's a good point about the slaving. Any chance we want to take back that part?

[Lewwyn]

Just whip at the end of t169 if we don't get a response. The deal ends when t170 rolls so whip with like an hour to go. End turn and let it roll. No deal.

[NobleHelium]

You forget that CFC controls the turn roll (all annoying roads lead to CFC). Anyway, I would just say that the offer expires when we end turn on t169 if you want to "clarify" it.

[Zargon]

Meh, now that I've thought it over, I'm cool with whipping off the 50 pop even if they take the deal. Shit, I'd almost say whip it off early in the turn to give them a nice fat window where they can "outsmart" us by taking the deal after the pop is gone.

[mostly_harmless]

Alternatively, we tell them that a 3rd party is very interested in taking our GP deal, so would they please hurry with the response.

mh