[SPOILERS] Team Orgynized: Parkin/Arki/Magno embark on a kinky adventure

[Lord Parkin]

No mention of me as a ded-lurker?

Good point! I copied those posts from the organization thread, will tell them to update it.

[WilliamLP]

Speaking of which... anyone know anything about Kurumi, HBHR, Raptorous, or Barteq?

Kurumi is in the greens PB11 game, so by admissions criteria can't be very experienced. The others I know nothing about.

I doubt India would make it to 5, but my gut would be to take it in a heartbeat. I'd also consider Inca, because the chance that we could pick up a decent Exp leader for synergy are pretty good. (It wouldn't be Pacal though, obviously). I'm not as sure about this choice though, just becase FIN is so good in BTS.

[Lord Parkin]

Kurumi is in the greens PB11 game, so by admissions criteria can't be very experienced. The others I know nothing about.

Okay, thanks.

I doubt India would make it to 5, but my gut would be to take it in a heartbeat. I'd also consider Inca, because the chance that we could pick up a decent Exp leader for synergy are pretty good. (It wouldn't be Pacal though, obviously). I'm not as sure about this choice though, just becase FIN is so good in BTS.

Assuming that Inca and India are the only civs chosen in the first round of the snake pick, selecting either of them would likely land us either the 9th or 10th leader pick. On the other hand, choosing a leader first would likely give us 6th, 7th or 8th civ pick. We should bear that in mind while considering our options.

I think given the map settings (large/monarch-emperor/toroidal), not picking a Financial leader with our first pick would be extremely risky... especially if most of the teams before us in the snake pick choose Financial leaders. With 10 teams in the game and only 9 Financial leaders of any worth whatsoever (Wang Kon has a wasted trait in Protective) you do not want to be one of the odd teams out in the likely scenario that nearly everyone else picks a Financial leader.

Actually the pool of viable Financial leaders is probably more like 7 for this game... Imperialistic will not be particularly helpful given the relatively high tech and maintenance costs we'll be facing, and Aggressive is usually a dubious pick in a game with many players. Not good odds if you're waiting until the 9th or 10th pick for your leader: even if you count on someone taking Sury, you'd still be stuck with a choice between a subpar Financial leader or a risky non-Financial combination.

So I wouldn't rule India out completely, but I'd be extremely cautious in choosing them first when it would likely be at the cost of a decent Financial combination, especially with these game settings.

[plako]

Your starting position. Only visible tiles will be kept so no need to try to read the fog.

[WilliamLP]

I'm looking forward to Lord Parkin's take on this. It looks like a rare start that may not need Agriculture for a long time. Do you even consider settling on the plains hill? I think it's a non-starter? Do you go for a Civ like Vikings or Greece with Hunting / Fishing here? Or Fishing / (something else) since hunting is a cheap tech and you have plenty of time to grab it before a worker anyway? Riverside sheep is a really good tile for a FIN leader with the 3C.

[Arkipeller]

Wow. That's a nice start

[WilliamLP]

My own reading is that it would be quite a below average start, if not starting with fishing. Problems are: no luxuries or strategic resources in sight. The river is terrible, it only gives 1 usable freshwater tile if settled in place. It's a capital tile with a lot of useless water tiles that limit it in the late game. There is no decent plains hill settlement. Three 5-food tiles is adequate but not amazing.

[Magno_uy]

nice placer indeed

I would go for fishing and get 2 working boats, one for the fish and a extra one for early safe exploration

[antisocialmunky]

Looks like a lake W of the desert tile and the grass forests 3N of the desert. Might be on an isthmus.

[Arkipeller]

My own reading is that it would be quite a below average start, if not starting with fishing. Problems are: no luxuries or strategic resources in sight. The river is terrible, it only gives 1 usable freshwater tile if settled in place. It's a capital tile with a lot of useless water tiles that limit it in the late game. There is no decent plains hill settlement. Three 5-food tiles is adequate but not amazing.

With early Granary and slavery we could do heavy chopping. That would help our cause