[SPOILERS] Team Orgynized: Parkin/Arki/Magno embark on a kinky adventure

[WilliamLP]

So far there's no arguing with your predictions - you have your finger on the pulse of this for sure!

Maybe someone will try for the Org + Sumeria combo?

If I were picking right now after us I'd go India for sure, not because it's necessarily the most powerful but because it would be the most fun. And there's sure to be a pretty decent leader left.

I'm interested to see which leader Caledorn pairs with Inca on the way back, probably an Exp leader, and they don't need Sury, who probably won't make it much further before being picked.

Edit: Are you going to try chopping Henge now? I wonder if there will even be another IND leader in this game!

[Lord Parkin]

I wouldn't be surprised if Darius was paired with Sumeria assuming it was still available when it the Dinosaurs got their last pick.

Don't know about Stonehenge yet - let's first see how many other Industrious leaders are picked. Certainly a tempting build though.

I expect Inca will be paired with Bismarck (Exp/Ind), Isabella (Exp/Spi), or Mehmed (Exp/Org) if at least one of them is still available when Blame Caledorn gets their second pick.

Looks like you got it right with India falling at last. Care Bears will probably be keen to pair it with one of the above Exp leaders too, or Sury (Exp/Cre).

1. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone) - Pacal II
2. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous - Darius
3. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking) - Willem
4. Bowsling / Aivoturso - Mansa Musa
5. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101) - Huayna Capac
6. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking) - Inca
7. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons - India
8. Dick76 / DMOC
9. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud
10. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
11. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
12. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud
13. Dick76 / DMOC
14. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons
15. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking)
16. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101)
17. Bowsling / Aivoturso
18. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking)
19. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous
20. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone)

Next up... perhaps Elizabeth or Hannibal?

[Dp101]

So, are we going for a repeat of PB4 or are we going for a more military strategy?

[Lord Parkin]

1. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone) - Pacal II
2. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous - Darius
3. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking) - Willem
4. Bowsling / Aivoturso - Mansa Musa
5. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101) - Huayna Capac
6. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking) - Inca
7. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons - India
8. Dick76 / DMOC - Suryavarman II
9. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud
10. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
11. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
12. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud
13. Dick76 / DMOC
14. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons
15. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking)
16. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101)
17. Bowsling / Aivoturso
18. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking)
19. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous
20. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone)

Almost at the end of the first round of the snake pick, and we have the first non-Financial leader choice. Will be interesting to see how many others pick non-Financial... I'm betting 2 in addition to Sury (Expansive leaders to be paired with Inca and India), so 3 in total. Wonder if the next two teams will choose Elizabeth and Hannibal.

So, are we going for a repeat of PB4 or are we going for a more military strategy?

I don't think you can simply "repeat" any past game. Every map calls for a different strategy, and players learn from past games - being cautious about signing long NAP's for instance. Geography will play a huge role in how the game plays out, as will the identities of our nearest neighbours. Also note that with a toroidal map, we're likely to have more neighbours than on a cylindrical map (for instance, in PB4 I only had two neighbours by land which greatly aided in defence). That factor alone may well lead us in a more military direction... but we'll see how it plays out once we get going.

[WilliamLP]

So three more civs will get picked before our turn so if we have a short list of 4 we can pick from at least 1. Does anything change what Civ you would like now?

[Lord Parkin]

So three more civs will get picked before our turn so if we have a short list of 4 we can pick from at least 1. Does anything change what Civ you would like now?

No real surprises on the civ/leader picks so far. Fishing/Mining is still the best opening for us, and there are three good Fishing/Mining civs for this map (Rome/England/Carthage), so as long as at least one team doesn't pick one of them then we'll be fine. If by some rotten luck all three of them are taken, we could consider Portugal (though it pains me to have an essentially blank slate for both UU and UB) or perhaps some other Fishing civ.

Out of Rome, England and Carthage I have no strong preference... perhaps Carthage is the weakest of the three, but all would be pretty good for us. If 1-2 of them are taken before we get to pick, it'll make our choice fairly simple.

[WilliamLP]

I might at least think about Japan (Fishing / Wheel), just because Wheel is worth a bit more than Mining, and your posted build doesn't use Bronze as early as you are getting it, so you'd be up a few beakers in the long run maybe? But it may rule out Stonehenge?

[Lord Parkin]

I might at least think about Japan (Fishing / Wheel), just because Wheel is worth a bit more than Mining, and your posted build doesn't use Bronze as early as you are getting it, so you'd be up a few beakers in the long run maybe? But it may rule out Stonehenge?

Hmm, fair point. Though what you can't see in the screenshot is that the forest is pre-chopped. So it's 2 Worker turns gained from the Fishing/Mining start. Though of course you could build a road with those 2 turns with a Fishing/Wheel start. Will test Fishing/Wheel in a bit and see how it turns out... would definitely delay Stonehenge though, if we were to go for it. But Samurai are alright, even if the Shale Plant is next to useless.

[Lord Parkin]

1. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone) - Pacal II
2. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous - Darius
3. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking) - Willem
4. Bowsling / Aivoturso - Mansa Musa
5. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101) - Huayna Capac
6. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking) - Inca
7. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons - India
8. Dick76 / DMOC - Suryavarman II
9. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud - Sumeria
10. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
11. Barteq / Geo (with Harami dedlurking)
12. Team My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony - Classical_Hero / Halvgud
13. Dick76 / DMOC
14. Team Care Bears - Yuufo / Bisons
15. Team Blame Caledorn - YossarianLives / Caledorn (with Scooter, Old Harry and Cheater Hater dedlurking)
16. Team Orgynized - Lord Parkin / Arkipeller / Magno_uy (with WilliamLP dedlurking and Dp101)
17. Bowsling / Aivoturso
18. Team Master and Margarita - Slaze / Maga_R (with Jovan Kukic dedlurking)
19. Team Dinosaurs - Whiteye / Raptorous
20. Team Eagles & Condors - Kurumi / HBHR (with Oxyphenbutazone)

Uh... Sumeria? I guess they really wanted the UB. Would be far from my first choice even with a grain start. Presume they'll try to pair it with an Organized leader... interesting, as three teams will now probably be thinking about Mehmed.

I might at least think about Japan (Fishing / Wheel), just because Wheel is worth a bit more than Mining, and your posted build doesn't use Bronze as early as you are getting it, so you'd be up a few beakers in the long run maybe? But it may rule out Stonehenge?

Hmm, fair point. Though what you can't see in the screenshot is that the forest is pre-chopped. So it's 2 Worker turns gained from the Fishing/Mining start. Though of course you could build a road with those 2 turns with a Fishing/Wheel start. Will test Fishing/Wheel in a bit and see how it turns out... would definitely delay Stonehenge though, if we were to go for it. But Samurai are alright, even if the Shale Plant is next to useless.

Will post a full report later, but it's looking like Fishing/Wheel could be quite a good combination. And I'm starting to warm up to Fishing/Agriculture too - the beakers saved on AH mean that we hit BW the exact turn we want to start chopping, which is very nice indeed. Pretty much the only downside to either option is a slight delay in Stonehenge, but we can always build an extra Settler while we wait - or perhaps just bypass Stonehenge entirely, depending on whether there are other Industrious leaders in the game.

For reference...

Fishing/Mining civs: Rome, England, Carthage, Portugal
Fishing/Wheel civs: Japan
Fishing/Agriculture civs: Netherlands, Native America, America

So pretty much only one viable Fishing/Agriculture civ (Netherlands), and only one viable Fishing/Wheel civ.

[WilliamLP]

I think Care Bears is going to be very happy with their India pick - they're basically guaranteed to get a good FIN leader with it.