WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[Jkaen]

Well, we at least got 1 more post out of Serdoa, and truth be told I am not going to push hard for a day 1 policy lynch.

The MJW train as has been pointed out is just so obvious as a day 1 safe bet for votes, I can't bring myself to vote there as he is generally just a mislynch waiting to happen.

Mattimeo however complains about the discussion being all on zak's post, then mentions nothing else in his email, finally (as the last person of the day) voting the easy MJW. Also Serdoa and MJW mislynches tell us pretty much nothing, if we do end up wrong on Matt, then there is at least a link through to Gazglum that we can poke at a bit

Mattimeo

Not a brilliant case, but best option I can currently see day 1

[zakalwe]

So apparently, "mountainous" means no power roles. You could just tell us that, Mattimeo, instead of specifying which search terms to use.

Gazglum's most recent post against Mattimeo/Azarius is a bit more persuasive. But I don't think MJW has earned the "blabbermouth" moniker so far in this game. By which I mean, there should be other things worth commenting on beyond my no lynch suggestion. He also tends to have a "stream of consciousness" posting style and I haven't really seen that yet.

[Serdoa]

Serdoa - that post you just made is your second post, and there was no way to know when you would post again. So I think your indignation is misplaced. It might be easier to catch you if you have less time, but not if we accept that you just post less as a consequence. (Yeah, that sounds a bit cold hearted but hopefully you see my point.)

No, that's fine zak. I've said it often enough myself: If someone isn't posting you can't get a read on him and you don't want players that you have no read on in the endgame. But I think jumping from that general rule to "lets policy lynch xxx on the first day, because this game he MIGHT be less involved" is making it oneself a little bit too easy. Several players basically stated "there is no reason currently to lynch Serdoa, but he is a strong player and might not have much time [to defend himself <--- my addendum to this], so lets lynch him now".

In general I'm a little bit surprised about this policy lynch talk. Doesn't seem the smartest play for me as it makes it extremely easy for scum to hide behind. On the first day, you are very likely to lynch a villager. If we take that as a given, you should at least get people to explain WHY they vote for someone. And if the vote is just a policy lynch for an EXPECTED behavior I would be very wary of that player. Even with nearly no time that I had I still can explain why I don't like MJWs play. I think there is enough other stuff that could be looked at and I'm not sure why some players, stronger ones that is, thought it would be a good line of play to do a policy lynch. Seems for me rather like lazy play or a wolf that is overly cocky.

[Gazglum]

However, lack of a legal no lynch vote. Why is this a common thing with games here?

So leading questions, or rhetorical questions, or questions not really aimed at anybody in particular ping my scumdar.

Ah, I see the problem here. You assumed it was a genuine question, rather than an accusation against a practice I disagree with.

I assumed it was a genuine rhetorical question, Matt, which is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about.

Classical hero, I doubt you're going to swing today, but if you don't respond to people more than you have been then there is no way you will survive many more days.

I'm going to bed. Don't lynch MJW guys. You don't want to drink from that tall glass of regret in the morning.

[Azza]

@Mattimeo

Because it can lead to situation in which both parties would rather not lynch/kill anyone. 3-1 endgame for example. Town doesn't want to lynch (if wrong they will lose), but scum doesn't want to kill either (makes it easier for town to choose the correct player).

hm, point. Though in the vast majority of situations I'd think the scum would bring it to LyLo after a no-lynch at MyLo. Not killing gives almost as much information as killing someone, at that point.

But since Q's explained his classical_hero pressure, I'll try Mattimeo. The short meta post is in character, but that semi-rhetorical question at the end feels a bit oh so casual.

...and how exactly does casual == scum, again? Or even, how are you defining 'casual' here? I certainly wouldn't have pulled that question out as a demonstration of a casual attitude to this game...

MJW is just harping on too much about zak's initial suggestion, which is honestly not a terrible idea in a mountainous even-numbered game. Not that this is likely to be mountainous, but no-lynching is also not a legal option. I just don't see how spending the entire day talking about only that and policy lynching a new player is remotely helpful.

Mattimeo, at least be honest that you're voting MJW to save yourself.

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo, at least be honest that you're voting MJW to save yourself.

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No, pretty sure I'm voting him because I can't get away with not voting anyone (my preferred course of action on D1, where there's literally no information to go on what-so-ever), and because continually bringing up retarded points is a better reason to lynch someone than having 1 (classical_hero) or 3 (Azarius) posts in their first game.

[classical_hero]

Lets see how different these games are compared to CFC. BTW I hate the way the PM messages are done here since they are not obvious enough so you can know if you have one.

It looks like that the votes have to be in red. Azza is quite a shady character.

Q asked you about the latter paragraph. To get you talking, I wouldn't mind hearing more about the first paragraph either. How are the CFC games, and how do you usually approach the game?

CFC games are generally more quieter than those here. My style over there is much more subdued since those who talk a lot are deemed to be rather suspicious and and thus to try and stay under the radar it is best to say as little as possible.

What do you ant me to say about the first paragraph, just about the game at CFC? Right now I am just trying to catch up with this game since I keep forgetting that I am in this and not just PB 14.

[classical_hero]

@classical_hero, why do you think azza is a shady character? Is that based off something he's said here, or previous impressions at CFC?

I don't think random lynches are a good thing MJW, how do you see that (rather then the normal day 1 discussion) as being helpful to the village?

It's day one, just a random vote with a plausible explanation. Day one is just really guessing unitl w have some action on the night and we get some results.

[Jkaen]

Ok then, lets see your thought process a bit.

If Azza (your nominee) is lynched and turns out village, what implications do you think that has on everybody elses status?

Same question if he is lynched and turns out to be a werewolf?

What would you be able to discuss then that you couldn't now, if lets say for example MJW is lynched and turns out to be town, and Novice is night killed, both reasonably possible outcomes given the line up this game?

[classical_hero]

Day one lynches are always a lottery and for the most part I am not a fan of day one lynches. I knew that from what I had read that Azza had no votes on him, so it was more than likely that he wouldn't get lynched. Day one is always the craziest day and generally just for this day no lynch is preferred.