WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[Serdoa]

You're right that I wasn't very clear in my attack on you. WHen I said oh so casual, I mean a studied casualness. A 'let's throw out a conversational tidbit to end the conversation and perhaps divert it a bit'. It just didn't read as natural to me. I know that will be frustrating to read for you if you're town, but that's the vibe I got and I still got it.

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I don't like this MJW attack, how many games have we played where MJW has been the subject of this kind of discussion Day 1? He's always drawing attention to himself. And he's a blabbermouth (as am I MJW!), so when he is a wolf he's more likely to leave clues or trip himself up later anyway.

That's pretty much one of the worst posts I've read so far in this game (together with Jkaens). Gazglum completely ignores what several people have listed as reason to vote for MJW, which is exactly that his behaviour in this game is NOT similar to his normal behaviour. Now I don't say he has to agree with that assessment. But not arguing that point, not even mentioning it, is scummy. It might very well be that MJW is a villager, but Gazglums defense here reads more like a wolf finding an easy point to make, hoping to earn village brownie points.

What I like even less is the start of his post. I think when Gazglum is a wolf he has often issues to attack others that he know are innocent. And that starting sentence of his posts reads exactly like that: Feeling guilty for attacking someone he already know is innocent.

The MJW train as has been pointed out is just so obvious as a day 1 safe bet for votes, I can't bring myself to vote there as he is generally just a mislynch waiting to happen.

Jkaens post is as bad or even worse than Gazglums. Stating that he doesn't want to vote MJW because he is generally a mislynch waiting to happen. That's just bad logic. You can't argue someone guilt or innocence by his guilt or innocence in other games. And if you just meant to make the same argument as Gazglum, that MJW is easily drawing attention to himself, then I ask "Why not taking into account and arguing over the arguments made for his guilt?".

Quite honestly, if you two actually believed in what you wrote, you should argue right now with me about my perception of his play. Because if you see his play as similar to his other games and I don't that should be something to discuss, especially when I (and others) have pointed out specific behaviour that is different.

Well, we at least got 1 more post out of Serdoa, and truth be told I am not going to push hard for a day 1 policy lynch.

I don't like this sentence. You scramble for an excuse to move away from me when there is no need to find an excuse in the first place. Typical wolf-behaviour imo.

Mattimeo however complains about the discussion being all on zak's post, then mentions nothing else in his email, finally (as the last person of the day) voting the easy MJW. Also Serdoa and MJW mislynches tell us pretty much nothing, if we do end up wrong on Matt, then there is at least a link through to Gazglum that we can poke at a bit

That reads for me as if you already know that Mattimeo will come up innocent.

I'm really feeling that both you and Gazglum are very insincere here and that you both hide something. I'm not completely sure on Gazglum yet while I still have to see anything from you that does not scream wolf. Therefore

Jkaen

[Serdoa]

To try and move things along a bit more, I see CH and Matt are being pressured slightly for low posts, but I have seen no real comment towards Serdoa, is this because the wolves want us to policy lynch the other 2 but not Serdoa?

That's another bad logic post that I'm not expecting from Jkaen. We have 12 players, so probably 3 wolves. If he believes I'm a wolf that leaves 2 other players as wolves. So 10 players that could comment on me having made just one post at the time of his posting. And yet he votes for me with the implicit explanation that because no one mentioned me being silent could be a sign that the wolves don't want to discuss me?

[zakalwe]

Azarius for being low on content, and for not correcting the notion that he is new.

Azarius was Half-Nose Harry in WW26.

[novice]

Day one lynches are always a lottery and for the most part I am not a fan of day one lynches. I knew that from what I had read that Azza had no votes on him, so it was more than likely that he wouldn't get lynched. Day one is always the craziest day and generally just for this day no lynch is preferred.

I will move my vote for bad play from MJW to Classical Hero. Voting for someone who is unlikely to get lynched does not cause a no lynch, it just hands the lynch decision to scum.

I also find Serdoa's indignation at our suggested policy lynch to be an overreaction. Did you by any chance have a dentist's appointment today, Serdoa?

[novice]

Classical Hero

[MJW (ya that one)]

:zzz: I'm just dumping my vote on Zak because of the reasons I've outlined. No-one has done anything near as notable; the fact that the best reason that Zak could come up with voting someone was Az not correcting the fact that it is his first game gives an example of this. Even though it was just a suggestion I don't think that it's possible that he thought about it sincerely. It's just that bad.

The benefit of random lynch is it deprives the wolfs of being to use their vote to cause a mis-lynch.

The policy lynch suggestion was caused by the fact that Zak is very hard to lynch. So I wanted to come up with someone to vote on in case I couldn't kill Zak today.

Jkaen:

My plan is not anywere near as Zak's. At least it allows the village to lynch someone and their would be lots of talk about it in the thread--giving the village plenty of information. Besides it's not even my plan, it's merely the plan that I thought Zak was suggesting before I understood it. I feel that Zak's plan is plan is so bad that it is insincere for him even thinking about it.

C. Hero

I fail to see how the PMs are hard to see at realms beyond. There is a large banner and I know you logged-in because you play civ here. So how did you miss your PM? Also, is no-lynch allowed at CFC? Day one lynches tend to bad but a necessary evil.

Zak:
So your plan involved trapping wolfs somehow? Like the "Lady Elizabeth trap" from the last werewolf game? I have a hard time understanding your point. (On post #60). I also feel that not-lynching on the first day is a big move and would require a lot of thought to you suggest.

[zakalwe]

By "Lady Elizabeth trap" you probably mean deliberately doing something anti-town to see who will follow. If so, that's not what I was up to. Like I said, it was a genuine suggestion (or would have been). But I also had some thoughts about how scum might react to it. The last thing you want as scum is a slow, drawn-out game. And that's what you get with an initial no lynch.

Azarius is also suspicious for the post where he voted for you, assuming that you are innocent.

I would also like to hear CH's answers to your questions.

[Azarius]

Azarius for being low on content, and for not correcting the notion that he is new.

Azarius was Half-Nose Harry in WW26.

zakalwe I really don't like this from you at all. Saying I didn't correct the notion I was new implies that I have had a chance to since Mattimeo suggested it in post 76. This is the first I've been on since then, and would have pointed it out to him when I could. I suppose it isn't that odd that he doesn't remember since we killed him off day 1 last game. Also, I really don't like novice's suggestion to policy lynch Serdoa when he was sitting on few posts, and the fact you jumped right on it also doesn't feel good to me. Even when he isn't as active as he sometimes is, he still posts more than many people, and a village Serdoa can be a good asset. This feels like you opportunistically jumping on this hoping to get rid of a strong player. For the record I am also suspicious of novice for raising the idea to begin with, but you hopping right on combined with your dishonest argument against me make me much more suspicious of you.

[Azarius]

Day one lynches are always a lottery and for the most part I am not a fan of day one lynches. I knew that from what I had read that Azza had no votes on him, so it was more than likely that he wouldn't get lynched. Day one is always the craziest day and generally just for this day no lynch is preferred.

Classical Hero, can you please clarify this? Are you meaning to say you voted for Azza because you thought he won't get lynched? Because that is what I get from reading your statement. I just want to make sure I'm following your meaning here.

[Serdoa]

I also find Serdoa's indignation at our suggested policy lynch to be an overreaction. Did you by any chance have a dentist's appointment today, Serdoa?

I was surprised when I read it in zaks post and I still am surprised reading it here: Where to you find indignation in my posts? What I am: Surprised about who is suggesting such policy-lynch. I can't remember since when you are a spokesman for policy-lynches. I even explained why a policy-lynch would be bad in our situation (safe place for scum to put their votes which is unnecessary on D1).

Quite honestly, I'm again left surprised. Especially by you trying to use your bad and anti-town suggestion and my reaction to it as an indication for me being scum.

fake-edit: And I agree with Azarius. You took MJWs idea of policy lynching to immediately suggest a lynch on me - and besides me having just one post there was no reason yet for you to assume that I would have not enough time for this game - and Jkaen and zak both jumped on it. If not at least one of you is a wolf ... well, I guess in that case we really need a learning center for how to play village.