WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[zakalwe]

Serdoa, what I meant was that you would make a good policy lynch assuming you stayed quiet. That assumption was implied and shouldn't have been so hard to pick up on. So yeah, I maintain that there was indignation in your second post, and that it was misplaced.

Azarius, Gazglum also made several references to you being new, and you didn't correct him.

[Azarius]

Zakalwe, please be so kind as to point out the "serveral references to being new". I suppose his post saying welcome to Classical Hero and I could be construed in that way, I read it more of as a hello since this was the first time he has played with either of us, and responded as such in my first post following that one. Other then that his posts regarding me have been about his suspicion of me.

[novice]

I also find Serdoa's indignation at our suggested policy lynch to be an overreaction. Did you by any chance have a dentist's appointment today, Serdoa?

I was surprised when I read it in zaks post and I still am surprised reading it here: Where to you find indignation in my posts? What I am: Surprised about who is suggesting such policy-lynch. I can't remember since when you are a spokesman for policy-lynches. I even explained why a policy-lynch would be bad in our situation (safe place for scum to put their votes which is unnecessary on D1).

Quite honestly, I'm again left surprised. Especially by you trying to use your bad and anti-town suggestion and my reaction to it as an indication for me being scum.

fake-edit: And I agree with Azarius. You took MJWs idea of policy lynching to immediately suggest a lynch on me - and besides me having just one post there was no reason yet for you to assume that I would have not enough time for this game - and Jkaen and zak both jumped on it. If not at least one of you is a wolf ... well, I guess in that case we really need a learning center for how to play village.

I've never been adverse to policy lynching, especially when it comes to lurker lynches. I always find them good options on day one. The point of singling you out was that I didn't want scum to freely steer the policy lynch onto the easy mislynch of their choice. I felt that if we were going to policy lynch we should do it for lurking and not for being new. At the time you had one contentless post and had indicated in other threads that you were swamped at work.

You've now jumped into action and that's a great development. Obviously I'm not suggesting you as a lurker lynch at this point, but at the time it felt perfectly justified.

[Jowy]

If Zak's post was later in the game and not the first player post in the thread, then I would agree with MJW's original case. Sounded more like an off-hand comment to break the ice in this case. But now I'm confused after Zak's comments on it. First it sounded like it was some kind of a trap, because Zak said that he had thought in advance what reactions the scum would have on it. That's what a trap is all about, right? Catch the scum based on how a scum would react to a comment. And now he is saying that it was not a trap, but a genuine suggestion. But it wasn't really a genuine suggestion because he knew that the rules forbid it, he pointed it out himself. Something that has no way of working in this game and only serves as a distraction for the village is not genuine.

Serdoa, you were over-reacting.

Classical Hero does not seem a good player, or at least follows a different meta. I've got no read on him and I doubt anyone else does either. If he dies today it's a pure policy lynch. Don't see the need for it personally.

Mattimeo posted only non-content, or maybe I'm just not interested in the topic of all his posts :P

I still don't understand why Gaz made it look like Qg was not joking and voted for Qg, but then later admitted that he knew Qg was joking. Why try to get him lynched under false pretenses?

Zakalwe seems to be our best bet today.

[novice]

And now he is saying that it was not a trap, but a genuine suggestion. But it wasn't really a genuine suggestion because he knew that the rules forbid it, he pointed it out himself.

This is bad. It was speculated, by MJW I think, that Zak's suggestion would have been a trap if it had been a legal suggestion. Zak clarified that it would have been a sincere suggestion. Would have been. Are you trying to conjure contradictions out of thin air, Jowy?

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, what I meant was that you would make a good policy lynch assuming you stayed quiet. That assumption was implied and shouldn't have been so hard to pick up on. So yeah, I maintain that there was indignation in your second post, and that it was misplaced.

Ok, I don't want to make this about me, but I can't ask for it via PM obviously, so that goes to you, zak and I guess Jowy: Please point out to me what you think was an overreaction or a sign of indignation. Not because I don't believe you that you felt that way, but because I really can't understand it and hope to learn how to phrase my sentences better to not imply a feeling that I don't actually have. That's pretty much the first time that I felt really calm and didn't care to much about a mislynch on me tbh.

[zakalwe]

Azarius:

Azarius is new

... which was also implied by Gazglum's opening post, as you say.

I also thought he meant you when he talked about "poking the new guy", but checking back, that was in reference to CH. So maybe you're telling the truth then, and his misconception didn't register. To me it looked like you deliberately let it pass, though.

Jowy, if I had suggested a no lynch I would have had certain expectations about how scum would react. I did in fact not suggest that, though, as it wasn't allowed. The only actual suggestion I made in my opening post was that we should lynch the last person to post. People have just seized on the no lynch idea and insisted on debating it endlessly. Your summary of events is quite misleading.

[Jowy]

And now he is saying that it was not a trap, but a genuine suggestion. But it wasn't really a genuine suggestion because he knew that the rules forbid it, he pointed it out himself.

This is bad. It was speculated, by MJW I think, that Zak's suggestion would have been a trap if it had been a legal suggestion. Zak clarified that it would have been a sincere suggestion. Would have been. Are you trying to conjure contradictions out of thin air, Jowy?

No, I read Zak's earlier post the same way (I assume) MJW did. We both came to the same conclusion which was Zak saying it was a trap, which he later then denied. This post:

Well, Zak has not defended himself

I thought I did. My defense can be summarized as follows:
- It was not an asinine suggestion.
- Besides, it was just a suggestion.

Just to share some more about my thought process, I did originally have some ideas about how the wolves might react to my suggestion, although those aren't really applicable now since the move isn't actually allowed. But as a wolf, I would not really be happy with a no lynch on the first day, as I'm always eager to at least get one mislynch out of the way. So I figured the wolves would support the idea so long as that was where the tide seemed to be turning, but would look for opportunities to swing a policy lynch instead towards the end of the day.

Novice - I had similar thoughts about Serdoa. I don't think he's particularly likely to lurk as scum, but he's hard enough to catch as is, so as a policy lynch it makes sense.

Okay, we could say it was a trap that could never catch anyone because it's not applicable in this game. Same as the genuine theory. Whichever it was, a trap or a theory, in both cases bringing it up in this game will not benefit the village at all. The impression I got from Zak's later posts was that it was more than just an ice-breaker post.

[zakalwe]

And one thing I'd like to add: I find it kinda hilarious that we seldom policy-lynch anyone and I can't remember that we EVER policy-lynched someone on D1 and yet you guys discuss in honesty to policy-lynch one of the most active players of any WW he played in because he COULD be less active than normal. You guys realize that me being less active is probably still more active than half the players in this game, eh?

This paragraph is the one that conveys indignation, Serdoa.

[zakalwe]

Jowy, people keep attacking me for having seriously considered a no lynch, so I have to explain how I could have seriously considered it. How else can I respond? That doesn't mean I'm out to distract the village, and I have in fact tried my best to shut down that whole discussion because it isn't relevant. But if people insist on lynching me over it then I have to defend myself.