WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[MJW (ya that one)]

Jkaen, if Serdoa got killed for attacking a wolf the most logical opotion is novice followed by Zak. His post attacking the C_H voters said it was very telling for novice and zak to just dump their votes on C_H. Then Serdoa attacks novice. It's okay for you to vote Qgqqqq as he has'nt done anything praticually useful and Serdoa's attack is not all you should consider.

[zakalwe]

#15 - Meta
#64 - Vote MJW crazy theory
#73 - Anti Policy Lynch
#81 - Attacks on me and Gazglum, votes me. I think this is the main post people remember
#82 - Additional attack on me
#90 - Attack on novice
#96 - Defensive post
#111 - Defensive post
--------Lynch----------
#148 - Attacks CH voters (Q, Zak, Novice, MJW)
#151 - Attacks Novice

Just for the record, I decided to fact check this summary of Serdoa's posts, and I think it's pretty accurate. But post #90 isn't purely an attack on Novice. It's also a collective attack on everybody who considered policy lynching him, specifically naming Novice, Jkaen, and me. And he repeats that accusation in post #111. Jkaen was also mentioned in post #64, but just as a disagreement, not as an accusation.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Reading Gaz's post I have to point out that Serdoa's biggest targets when he as night killed was novice and zak. So the rest of your post does'nt follow logically anymore. Why did'nt you follow the night talk? You still have to answer some other questions though.

GG serdoa
I agree that gazglum and jkaen look a bit worse after that. I agree with novice that he has seemed rather focussed on one target. I would like to hear more thoughts from matt though.
I'm not sure I really understand your play MJW - what is your stance on zak? Is it a weak read that merely noticing that classical_hero had 4 posts was enough to shift you, or was it simply that you couldn't get support?
If the former, why not mattimeo, who also had 4?

Why not mattimeo is easy. At least mattimeo voted for someone! C_H just made a joke vote on Az and so effectively did'nt vote which is quite bad.

I felt that kill Zak was unlikely after the mod updated the lynch counters. Only Jowy (who was Muriel the last game and therefore would have low influence in this one) and I were on him. So I considered other options and found C_H and Mattimeo to be better lynchs that Zak for not even playing the game.

Zak's suggestion was quite bad even to think of--very unlike his villager self. It's gimmicky. I feel that no-one really acted out of character though (expect C_H as we had no baseline for him). So I pushed Zak. The fact that Serdoa attacked him before he did does'nt do him any favors ether. Other then the metagame his posts seem slightly strained.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Strange post by the mod at #167 say "if a sucm ever dies". I don't think anyone is bound to be lynched so this post only proves that a wolf was not caught by a watcher or something like that.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I really cannot take this day seriously until mattimeo begins posting crap. But I can use my vote to make sure that Azarius answers Jkaen's question about why Serdoa was the expected kill; that's a very good question and I want to make sure Azarius answers it.

[MJW (ya that one)]

MJW, this continued spam about the no lynch suggestion is anti-town. You've made your stance clear, and I have in return explained my views as thoroughly as can be expected. If you have other points against me, bring them up, and I'll address them, but give it a rest with the thought crime.

Also, you said "Zak seems to have problems of being able to post content" just four posts back. That's probably what Q is referring to...

I've done a quick reskim and two posts that stand out as strange/opportunistic are Mattimeo's post #75 and Jowy's post #92. Both seem to break with the natural "flow" of the game.

Me spamming the thread like that is not wolfish or anti-town. For example, in the game were I lied as the seer I spammed 'lynch uberfish'! over and over again. I would contiune if anyone other than Gaz like that attack...

It's easy to post content while your having problems making content. You just have to strain your posts a little. There's other players who have to strain a little but you usually don't have problems, still.

While, I'm here why does breaking the flow wolfish? To show that it was wolfish you have to show that it is likely to be pre-made in a wolf thread; not just pre-made. The players don't post much ether so there's a lot of "lag" for them so it's plausible why their posts are disjointed from the rest of the text.

[Gazglum]

Maybe tunneling isn't exactly the right word, but you showed a lot of conviction yesterday, Gazglum. And I agree with Novice that faking conviction can be useful as scum, so you don't have to keep moving your vote. You were locking your vote in pretty firmly, to put it another way.

Well I could have voted Azarius then moved it to Matt, but it seems a bit irrelevant if I had already decided Matt was scummier for me. I see what you're saying, that pressuring just the one person gives (other) wolves cover to keep a low profile. But I felt pretty firm about it, and flip-flopping about, with a dab of pressure here and a touch of suspicion there just makes it easier for scum to sway the mislynch. I felt good Mattimeo for scum, much better than MJW or classical hero or you, so I wanted to actually get him hanged. Since I'm not around the last 8 hours of the day, that means I have to be firm if I want to get others to support me.

Incidentally, isn't that how Ichabod plays the opening of every game?

I don't like you and Novice using Serdoa as a reason to vote me, when Serdoa had attacked several people, in Jkaen's case harder than me. I'll reread others after dinner. Hopefully by then, Mattimeo will have remembered what time zone he's in.

[Gazglum]

Me spamming the thread like that is not wolfish or anti-town. For example, in the game were I lied as the seer I spammed 'lynch uberfish'! over and over again. I would contiune if anyone other than Gaz like that attack...

I don't understand what you mean about me liking the attack. If you mean liking your attack on Zak, I didn't think it was scummy like others did, but I don't think it's a very good case. What do you think about other players apart from Zak?

[zakalwe]

Me spamming the thread like that is not wolfish or anti-town. For example, in the game were I lied as the seer I spammed 'lynch uberfish'! over and over again. I would contiune if anyone other than Gaz like that attack...

It's easy to post content while your having problems making content. You just have to strain your posts a little. There's other players who have to strain a little but you usually don't have problems, still.

While, I'm here why does breaking the flow wolfish? To show that it was wolfish you have to show that it is likely to be pre-made in a wolf thread; not just pre-made. The players don't post much ether so there's a lot of "lag" for them so it's plausible why their posts are disjointed from the rest of the text.

It's anti-town if you force me to repeat myself endlessly, because that only clutters the thread.

The posts stood out because they were "breaking the flow", taking an unexpected turn. I agree that I should also elaborate on why the posts were scummy, but you conveniently left out the sentences where I did just that.

[zakalwe]

Incidentally, isn't that how Ichabod plays the opening of every game?

Could be, but what's your point?