WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[MJW (ya that one)]

I left out Zak's expalation of his attack because the topic seemed to be about Azza, not the others.

I'll stop the attack for now as Gaz seemed the only one who cares about it...

[Qgqqqqq]

I thought Serdoa was the expected kill too, he read very villagery to me.

Havign a quick scan on which of the others to vote for Qgq's post struck me as having a lot of low level suspicions scattered around, which seems a bit scummy to me, happy placing my vote there for now

What post are you talking about? Because I think I've explained my reasons for voting classical_hero to death, and I can't think of another.

Me spamming the thread like that is not wolfish or anti-town. For example, in the game were I lied as the seer I spammed 'lynch uberfish'! over and over again. I would contiune if anyone other than Gaz like that attack...

It's easy to post content while your having problems making content. You just have to strain your posts a little. There's other players who have to strain a little but you usually don't have problems, still.

While, I'm here why does breaking the flow wolfish? To show that it was wolfish you have to show that it is likely to be pre-made in a wolf thread; not just pre-made. The players don't post much ether so there's a lot of "lag" for them so it's plausible why their posts are disjointed from the rest of the text.

That game is hardly a shining example of your play - I would say your actions were very anti-town, and by spamming it you greatly devalued your reads then (yes, I recently read that game ).
And I think your actions on continually spamming the thread on the no-lynch nonsense (which was the very first post, and clearly planned pre-game so shouldn't be relevant for his alignment...) has been very anti town.
I don't understand the centre bit, but I think the final bit is a very good question, zak, what did you mean by breaking the flow? Edit: already answered

Strange post by the mod at #167 say "if a sucm ever dies". I don't think anyone is bound to be lynched so this post only proves that a wolf was not caught by a watcher or something like that.

I don't see why you're getting that out of the post - to me it reads as just discussing what would be put up on a wolfs death, nothing to do with the success or failure of roles.

I think I'm finding MJW most suspicious, his posts tend to just be general spamming about zak and the no lynch mixed with some really strange posts. For example:

I really cannot take this day seriously until mattimeo begins posting crap. But I can use my vote to make sure that Azarius answers Jkaen's question about why Serdoa was the expected kill; that's a very good question and I want to make sure Azarius answers it.

Basically gives a really weak justification for a later vote on matt, but also devaluing it by saying matt only needs to "start posting crap" - not start contributing - to avoid the noose. I.e. This suspiccion is voiced, but its really weak and I'm willing to give up on it easily. And then to cap it off, he supports someone elses (IMO) weak suspicion, and uses that to blatantly park his vote, while saying he won't contribute until matt turns up.
MJW, do you have any of your own suspicions (even on zak, just not about the no lynch) to contribute?
Because currently I get the feeling you are skating by by only commenting on others reads, and using them to place low personal investment votes on people he is not providing original thought on, plus using the weak meta of the no lynch (and some over weird meta) to imitate his normal style.
Thus, MJW


Oh and Jkaens point on Serdoa lashing out at classical_hero voters (paticularly me, novice and zak) is good. Personally I thought he was just hitting us for what he saw as really bad play, and that he wasn't crying wolf there, but he definitely hadn't mentioned Gazglum for a while.

[Qgqqqqq]

I left out Zak's expalation of his attack because the topic seemed to be about Azza, not the others.

I'll stop the attack for now as Gaz seemed the only one who cares about it...

Attack on whom?
I'm not seeing one.

[Azza]

Incidentally, isn't that how Ichabod plays the opening of every game?

Could be, but what's your point?

I would guess his point is that to achieve a D1 lynch you have to portray a confidence in your read that will inspire people to follow.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well, I have to defened myself from Qgqqqqq's attack and then it's tiime to sleep:

Spamming the thread is not anti-town if it is acutally doing someing. But I've concluded that Gaz only cares about my attack and he likes it (?). So I don't see the point of contiuneing. This is right before you prodded me, too.

The mod would say something like "when a wolf dies" or "the color for wolfs" if he knew a wolf was doomed. For example a watcher catching a wolf killing Serdoa would do it. Even if the wolf somehow escapes the first day he's screwed when the watcher's role flips. He would not say "if a wolf EVER dies".

Lastly, I'm pretty sure now that Serdoa was attacking the C_H voters because he said "especially telling". I'm pretty sure that means the alighment the player was given. Serdoa already knows us as people so being able to "tell" something for are actions has to refer to our alighment , not what kind of person we are or how good at werewolf we are.

I really cannot take the day seriouslly, and therfore seriously attack someone, untill mattimeo shows up. My vote is just a trick to make sure Az speaks up as Jkaen did'nt vote for him.

Fake-edit: "The attack" refers to my attack on Zak for suggesting not to lynch.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Oh, I forgot. Everyone got their alighment long before the game even started so that part of Qgqqqq's argument does'nt work.

[Azza]

Q, I feel your attack on MJW is because he's being anti-town rather than scummy. If this is an incorrect assumption, could you please explain how his play indicates he's scum rather than just crazy old MJW?

[Qgqqqqq]

I'll get to the defence in a moment but first:

Oh, I forgot. Everyone got their alighment long before the game even started so that part of Qgqqqq's argument does'nt work.

What are you talking about?

Q, I feel your attack on MJW is because he's being anti-town rather than scummy. If this is an incorrect assumption, could you please explain how his play indicates he's scum rather than just crazy old MJW?

No, that's not what I was getting at. In general, MJW says weird meta stuff, and makes odd votes, but generally he does contribute. He does give his own thoughts on a bunch of issues, and IMO he does push his suspicions and thoughts on a bunch of people.
But I'm not seeing that at all this game. What I see as suspicious is that he seems to be using his weird meta as a smoke screen for posting a lot, but nor actually contributing. The whole fixation with zaks opening post, is something I feel he is using to allow himself to sit back and not contribute, not actually scumhunt. The same thing with the "I'll not help until matt turns up" posts, I feel he is deliberately avoiding contributing as a player.
I suppose the difference lies in my perceived intention of the action - the whole thing looks deliberate, unlike his normal spam, and I feel his contributing less then normal is a scum factor, not just MJW playing badly.

[Gazglum]

Spamming the thread is not anti-town if it is acutally doing someing. But I've concluded that Gaz only cares about my attack and he likes it (?).

I don't like it that much.

The mod would say something like "when a wolf dies" or "the color for wolfs" if he knew a wolf was doomed. For example a watcher catching a wolf killing Serdoa would do it. Even if the wolf somehow escapes the first day he's screwed when the watcher's role flips. He would not say "if a wolf EVER dies".

First off, I think this is shoddy logic. Second, it is WAY out of bounds for the kind of meta you should be doing. There's nothing inherently wrong with thinking of stuff like that I suppose, but I think its poor sportsmanship to make any (possible) slip by the mod into a discussion point.

Could be, but what's your point?

The point was that Ichabod is viewed as a strong player, and it's hypocritical to say it's a wolf tell on me if its not on him. Unless you think it's really out of character for me, which it isn't, because I homed in on you in the same way on Day 1 of the Futurama game when you were Wolfy McWolf Wolf.

[Jkaen]

Why not mattimeo is easy. At least mattimeo voted for someone! C_H just made a joke vote on Az and so effectively did'nt vote which is quite bad.

Are you attacking somebody for voting CH yesterday and not Mattimeo here?