WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[Azarius]

MJW I wouldn't say over 50%. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say not surprised than expected.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Why not mattimeo is easy. At least mattimeo voted for someone! C_H just made a joke vote on Az and so effectively did'nt vote which is quite bad.

Are you attacking somebody for voting CH yesterday and not Mattimeo here?

Someone asked me why I voted C_H. This post is a response to that.

[zakalwe]

Jowy is not only displaying poor logic, he is also being uncooperative, in a somewhat scummy way. I thought he was being evasive when Gazglum questioned him, and he also ignored the questions from Novice. Furthermore, the case he made against Novice looks crafted to me, like it was prepared in advance.

Q, I disagree with such a strong village lean on Jkaen.

Jkaen, you said MJW has been changing his story as he goes along. Can you provide any examples of that?

Mattimeo, bear with me: did you vote for self-preservation yesterday or was it based on policy? It's not entirely clear.

[MJW (ya that one)]

'cause Jkaen requested it:

1. Zak, already said.
2. Qgqqqqq. I've always had a hard time reading him. The fact that he's not done anything usefel and is attacking me does not help him. Other than that he's okay as he has a decent amount of posts and has'nt done anything too wolfish.
3. Mattimeo. Not posting a lot. He's posts seem decent though. He's attacking and voting people legittly, for now.
4. MJW-- I know I'm a villager.
5. novice. Posting a lot and seems to be sincere. He did get attacked by Serdoa, though. I have to read his posts carefully...
6. Jkaen. I struggle to get read on him. He always seems to be fishing for information. But that is understandable as he's never around for the lynch. He feels a bit more passive than usaul.
7. Jowy. Seems to be acting like his normal self. I cannot get a strong read on him but that is because of his murky posting style.
8. Azza. Acting like his normal self but that is not good. I cannot even remember who he is voting for.
9. Az. Not posting a lot but other than that he's pretty good. The reason I attacked him is because knowing who would get night-killed would be very wolfish.
10. Gaz. Seems to be posting a lot and feels sincere.

I'll hit Zak for now.

[Jkaen]

Jowy is not only displaying poor logic, he is also being uncooperative, in a somewhat scummy way. I thought he was being evasive when Gazglum questioned him, and he also ignored the questions from Novice. Furthermore, the case he made against Novice looks crafted to me, like it was prepared in advance.

Q, I disagree with such a strong village lean on Jkaen.

Jkaen, you said MJW has been changing his story as he goes along. Can you provide any examples of that?

Mattimeo, bear with me: did you vote for self-preservation yesterday or was it based on policy? It's not entirely clear.

Can't properly from a phone and my Internet is down, but that post on this page MJW refers to I thought he was attacking CH voters when he was one. Also there is his attack on your post 1 when he posted something in a similar vein himself

[MJW (ya that one)]

Jowy is not only displaying poor logic, he is also being uncooperative, in a somewhat scummy way. I thought he was being evasive when Gazglum questioned him, and he also ignored the questions from Novice. Furthermore, the case he made against Novice looks crafted to me, like it was prepared in advance.

Q, I disagree with such a strong village lean on Jkaen.

Jkaen, you said MJW has been changing his story as he goes along. Can you provide any examples of that?

Mattimeo, bear with me: did you vote for self-preservation yesterday or was it based on policy? It's not entirely clear.

Can't properly from a phone and my Internet is down, but that post on this page MJW refers to I thought he was attacking CH voters when he was one. Also there is his attack on your post 1 when he posted something in a similar vein himself

It's not in a similar vein from my view point as someone would end up getting lynched. And the chessyness of the plan would provoke a lot of talk anyway so the village would not lose a day, too.

[Qgqqqqq]

Quickly:

Q, I disagree with such a strong village lean on Jkaen.

Okay. Why?

Thanks for replying MJW, I'll look at that later.

[Gazglum]

I'm back, and I'm unimpressed by what I've seen from Jowy overnight. It's harder to get a baseline on him, because he mixes up his styles game to game. But two aspects of his village play as nogrammarJowy and Muriel were consistent: he was at or near the top in post-count, and he commented on everybody. In his first game I remember him making some complete ordered suspect lists, and he made incisive comments on several people including pegging me as a wolf from the start.

This game he's been posting much less, and I feel like he's restricting his meaningful comments to one or two people at a time. I would like to see him do a little list like MJW. What do you think of Q, Jkaen or Matt, for example, Jowy?

I would also be keen to hear Mattimeo's thoughts on Jowy at the moment.

I read Gazglum's answer. I don't think it's an explanation that removes the scum lean I have on him. Should I repeat myself and make the same case again that I already made?

If you wish to ask me any more questions Jowy, my office door is always open. Or at least for the next fifteen hours.

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo:
Crap really means stuff.

Wait, really? I... I had no idea...

Hmm, I was hoping to save red for if a scum ever dies, but I can find a better blue, like the one we used for mayor votes.

Strange post by the mod at #167 say "if a sucm ever dies". I don't think anyone is bound to be lynched so this post only proves that a wolf was not caught by a watcher or something like that.

The mod would say something like "when a wolf dies" or "the color for wolfs" if he knew a wolf was doomed. For example a watcher catching a wolf killing Serdoa would do it. Even if the wolf somehow escapes the first day he's screwed when the watcher's role flips. He would not say "if a wolf EVER dies".

If a wolf got busted then I would eat my hat if the mod used "EVER". That makes no sense if he knows a wolf is going down. Period.

In what possible way would it make any sense for a mod to deliberately give away a scan result like that? You are stretching your horrific logic even further than usual. Why?
On the plus side, I suppose it's a good tell - if I ever understand a point you're trying to make, or worse yet, agree with one, then I'll know something's gone drastically wrong and you're probably scum...

Mattimeo quote:[spoiler]

For someone unlikely to be on at the deadline, it seemed like a clear self-defense vote disguised as scum hunting.

...there was an attempt to make it look anything like scum-hunting?
Certainly wasn't any attempt to pretend I was scum hunting D1. More putting my vote where it would do the least harm, given a need to actually put it somewhere. I seem to recall already spelling that out in justification, too.

The bolded part of this I very much dislike. It certainly makes me feel better about leaving my vote where it is.

Was wondering how long it would take someone to point that out. Any particular reason why Azza got you to field it, rather than continuing the cross-examination himself?

[Mattimeo]

I would also be keen to hear Mattimeo's thoughts on Jowy at the moment.

I have been terrible at this whole 'sleeping' thing lately, so I should probably make an actual attempt at that now. Will have a look at Jowy this evening. Though Friday night means there's a toss-up whether I'll be back before you turn in